026 Rave Mehta: How to Hack Fear and Flow And Access Our Super Powers?

CK LIN 0:00
Welcome to noble warrior. You hear my friends because you believe that overcoming our lower self in service of our higher self is what makes life meaningful. So our goal with this show is to show you the people an idea that will help you to actualize your highest self. Alright, today's guest is widely considered to be a renaissance man. He started many businesses in many industries, from engineering to virtual reality to entertainment, to cryptocurrency. But if you're tempted to dismiss him as a man with natural fearlessness, in creativity, for think again, he had a debilitating fear around heights in decided to spend many months to systematically overcome that and use the same principles to tackle flow and creative pursuits. He helped himself out of Lyme disease. He's a TED speaker, he published a best selling graphic novel. He's a regular contributor to the Huffington Post. He has performed around the world the principles of flow into his piano sound bath, to empower others to a unique sound meditation experience. In his spare time, he's writing two books sharing the science behind fear and flow and how we can also transcend our boundaries and access more of our superpowers I think is abundantly clear that he is a self-made renaissance man so please help me welcome a modern-day renaissance man Rave meta black and gold is like the

RAVE MEHTA 1:31
most toxic movie good What is that spirit girl is Penicillium five times of the so it's the most toxic it's like line like get it your shit. Yeah, you're just totally exorcism and most people don't know that it allows you to figure out how to pretty quickly because I got it in November. And so it's like I had Lyme all over again. I can't read blind is all sorts of weird shit your whole nervous system gets out of whack and like it heart surgery stuff. My symptoms were also my chest all time I couldn't breathe. I went to the ER The next night said this dental treatment thing and it because that's the black mold my system for my house in Florida, which I didn't know until three days later, some black more than the over by the ceiling in my bathroom. It actually grew the black hole in my system instead of stem cells that the blackmold. The next night I was like fuck I can't breath. My head feels weird. My brain felt really fucked up and then so many are one in the morning could find anything wrong with cash I can like line again and then got back and I these vials like at least checking and scanning myself with all my vials of all the pathogens, parasites, bacteria, viruses fungus. I muscle test myself. It's like a test what's in my system? Or what organs week and then I can figure out what's in my system that's causing the organ to be weak. These are all the heavy metals and chemicals in radiation. And then if I know what organs, we can figure out what while makes my arm strong. I know that's what's affecting that's what's affecting that organ. And then I have all these remedies that get tested against myself see which one my body wants to detox at that toxin out of my system. So so like fungus such a small so I was able to quickly figure out that's what I had my system. it was more better that I had a mold inspector come to the house to see what was going on to inspections and this very specific. So I Bible says that has actually tells you what kind of black hole this bear Gallus or whatever. And those were the exact two things that were floating in the house. We should end this so tested. Validate me first and I had mold guy come in like two weeks later. And those same things, he found there. I blood tested the Candida, and all that stuff. So um, so yeah, yeah. And I've been doing this for years. So this is how I help my stuff, get better from Lyme and save it possible.

CK LIN 1:43
So I have a question. As a scientific person. When I first heard the idea of muscle testing, yeah, my mind was thinking, is it really true the placebo effect? And then, but the more I have grown, the more I obviously know that so many people are smart people like you, you know, actually use it. So can you unpack that a little bit? Like, why do you think it works?

RAVE MEHTA 4:43
It was resonant frequencies, right. So um, so what I was able to figure out this larger framework of flow, know what flow is and like, where it comes from, and how to access it. And if it kind of comes down to on this case is frequencies interacting with your field. So the field of those vials, because what's what's in those vials are not actual parasites is the frequency of all the parasites at the right, like the right frequencies are the also true rates in all these various pathogens or chemicals, whatever variations of it, that's what gets hit on the vial. So when you put up against your body, your body has a field you put up against your body, then if you feel your muscle flip on or off or change, there's a change in muscle response, then you know that frequency is conflicting with something or, or resonant with the frequency in your body, that means is there. So if it doesn't have any effect, that means your body is not, it's like just passing through, there's nothing

CK LIN 5:42
How do I know if it's my muscle giving being tired?

RAVE MEHTA 5:45
I'm pushing and pushing on your arm, that push on your arm at this muscle here, there's you can overpower. And it could be a strength test, it's not meant to be a strength test is meant to be a check to see if this muscle hairs on or off. And if a touch your heart and your heart has a deficiency, and I push on your arm with other hand, then this muscle turns off, your arm gets weaker. And that if I touch your lungs, your lungs fine, your muscles get strong. So I just quickly like hit all the organ points or the acupuncture points and which ones are weak, then I narrow down from the weak ones to see what are the organs are weak. And then once I found the root organ, I'm able to then use these vitals to figure out what's causing that reorient to be a week. Yeah, what toxins or pathogens, whatever. I call them inflammatory triggers. So we're inflammatory triggers that are causing that and then wants to figure out what the trigger is, then I go to my remedies if I know it's lead, causing a liver be weak deficient. That I know these five certain things can help detoxify that put each have you hold each one, see which one makes it strong. And then I know the one that makes it stronger than

These supplements I got for my standard process. These are companies that I see. Then I have like four types of things. I use complete foods, Whole Foods, organic vegetables, organic Whole Foods, organic herbal is homeopathic and oils. They're all like natural stuff. And so like these are homeopathic, these are these are herbals these are Whole Foods. And like standard process and chiropractors use stuff like you know a lot of Chairos and alternative doctors use natural paths. energetics, these are blue bottles. I mean, they're their stuff that's out there, but they're there for squats like these are. So these are the actual product size. Those are sample kits. Yeah. So uh, yeah, so it's interesting because I can very quickly identify what's going on with the person's body or what's making the causing their pain or illness or whatever.

CK LIN 7:54
You've uses your own system so much and you can actually now diagnose someone else.

RAVE MEHTA 8:00
Yeah, I mean, even the beginning Yeah, like, it just tells me like, oh, like my girlfriend has celiac disease. So I don't look at the names of diseases and stuff. I just look up what the symptoms are and what's causing it. And then I figured out she had all these chemicals and metals and stuff causing and planet inflammation or gut and sensitivity, especially with genomes. gave her stuff to like start detoxing that stuff out, which are one of these things are a few of these things. And two months she's gonna eat a donut which has gluten and had no reaction. Yeah, and this is not 300 people later. So ranging from simple things like a bad flu, to Ms, breast cancer, eczema, you know, Crohn's, celiac, ike all these things are considered heroes because they don't know the root all the products of Western medicines really that great that because they don't know how to go out for root causes. They don't look at a system, they look at organs. Right, and they only could pain management or symptom relief. Yeah at best and in doing that they're introducing new chemicals and more toxins in your system, which then increases your nervous system flipping out on you. And then it causes problems in other areas. So so there's so this has been super-efficient. There's not it's not invasive, but not to wait three weeks for test results. Come back. I know right now, what's going on? I give them stuff right now. Come back a week later or whatever, or two days later day, you know, whatever, when the time and check out again and find out. You know if it's working or not, I could track the concentration levels, I could see how much it was in your body it is. And then how much is there? And then if I know how much is there, I could track it as you take the supplements, whatever coming out soon as you have, you know, five, one next, like track of my delusion levels, one access maximum concentration. And I could watch it come out like 10 x 30 x 50 x hundred x. So I know it's going the right direction. Stop. Yeah. So like, even western science can't track this stuff on the honor system very well. Now, if at all, yeah. And they do it only through blood, but mostly stuff stuck in your tissues. So you don't know where it is? Or how much is there? So circulation thing is limited to the ability of what they could find in the blood. Yeah, so there's no you only have this much Mercury, because mostly Mercury is all stored in tissues. So via Mercury, our blood, that means you have a shit ton of mercury are saying yeah, so that's a matter of where in their system is it then how concentrated is to see if that's a priority to take out. Or maybe the lead is more important, or maybe the fungus is more important or maybe something else. So it's a pretty good system to identify, prioritize, quantify, and then remediate, without like, adding more shit to your system. So that's just layer one. Then there's a layer, there are five layers. So layer one is just the physical bodies that later choose like the energy body, the meridians and the chakras because I figured out later, but that layer, I could muscle test that layer to figure out what chakras are blocked, and that trickles down to your physical layer. So if you have the first chakra blocked, let's able to open that up it actually fixes a bunch of stuff in the physical layer that doesn't get weak anymore. I found out that the third layer into emotional layer fourth layer is your perceptual layer how you see things name belief systems, you know programming and then there are different layers this universal truth there is kind of like we're all the truth exists all extranet flow ocean of flow and then when you have a belief system is aligned with the truth you get less flow creates fear-based emotions which creates less flow it creates meridian blocks it creates less flow than your body gets drops a flow for this ocean avail available to it on that channel and then the block and then the drops you do have you have the toxins block it more if you don't deal with that you atrophy, up disease. Yeah, so so the idea is to first reclaim the flow you already have but just processes this clinical approach and then open your pipes getting more flow from appear. So that combo has been really it gives you more of a like placebo is just you're accessing more flow get rid of quit your job do this you got rid of stress you're more aligned with what you care about their travel the world you know burn all your cash I'll say your cancer goes away It's because you access more flow and you level up your flow was pushing all the toxins and stuff off your system your body regenerated so placebos, just adding more flow to your system you feel better for a long time because you have a placebo because in your beliefs and emotions adds more flow to your system. So so to me placebos, just adding more flow versus taking out the cost, you know, and either one, they both work this one's more sustainable than the other. So

CK LIN 12:50
Are you writing a book on this, or course?

RAVE MEHTA 12:52
Both. 300 people, I've helped directly but yeah, yes. How soon would it be done? To check it out to question then? Let's, uh, I don't know yet. I have two books, out ones hacking fear. 15 years research on the fear stuff. And I guess that's essentially a finding flow, but call it chasing hope. Hmm. So it's about the whole flow-ology, so to speak, so I call them yeah.

CK LIN 13:25
I mean, what most of the flow books that have come across and very, very theoretical, it's not as tactile and also they don't think in frameworks. even like Stealing Fire or Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, or the Rise of Superman or whatever, there's not a whole lot of a systematic way of thinking the way that you presented mental model. Yeah, right. Mental I am a mental model guy. I love mental models and allows me to be able to grasp how all this work.

RAVE MEHTA 13:59
How do you like Stealing Fire?

CK LIN 14:01
I mean, I like it. I also liked the way that it popularized the idea of flow, and also popularize psychedelics. Yeah. And they opened my eyes actually from for me personally, like, okay, you know, before stealing fire, I probably wouldn't have experimented with psychedelics. Yeah. But since then, and then a number of other interesting. So I had an encounter with the Dalai Lama. And that opened my eyes to this whole world of compassion and empathy. And then I had my ayahuasca experience, and boom it was the beginning of my spiritual journey.

RAVE MEHTA 14:43
But that was your encounter with the Dalai Lama?

CK LIN 14:46
He was in LA in very close proximity. And I was very curious about what makes him and me different. Is it? Is it age? Is it ethnicity? Is it knowledge? but really, when I come to a conclusion was just his way of being? Because I could have easily said everything that he said. But the way of being which is so kind and generous that filled the entire stadium. Yeah. And then space. And just by the end of his talking, I was, like tearing up? With no reason to do that. We're just so moved by his will be. Yeah. And that really got me curious to know. What was the difference? And that was my intention going into my first ceremony

RAVE MEHTA 15:44
So you did aya for the first time?

CK LIN 15:47
I actually since then I've done ayahuasca for 30 times.

RAVE MEHTA 15:51
How was the last three compared to your first three still have the same level of impact?

CK LIN 16:01
Yeah. So the way I looked at it is. it's all about bridging the gap between the lower self and the higher self. And from that end, the gap will always be there. And never will be the point where lower self will be completely overcome. Integrity, always restoring integrity, integrity. So every time I do it, I get to look, where in my life, am I not in line with my higher self? So every time I do it is a different issue that I look at. the first three times the outer layer things to get just gets closer and closer to the universal truth.

RAVE MEHTA 16:49
So that's not kind of my path. My path has been around inquiry. And kind of like what you just said about how your encountered the Dalai Lama. You were curious about what's different about you and him. And so I spent, as I mentioned, 15 years researching fear, more of that now, but I survived My book is around that much and, and that. And I question like, why am I afraid now? And what am i what's going on my head, when I'm not afraid, I kept looking for that delta, the difference, you know, and, and through that inquiry, I just came up, I kept unraveling more and more truths what I consider truths. And that was how I was able to uncover these kind of fundamental principles around fear and what that is, and, you know, and how to neutralize them, and then create a practice around that, that helped me to first identify when I'm in a state of fear, or when fear is active to figure out what's causing it, you know, and then how to neutralize causes. and how to kind of re-perceive things. So I don't generate the fear. Again, later, right, to go through the process of a new pattern. So it's kind of like releasing the root assumptions that are holding, they're enabling the fears to regenerate whether when the right environment or the right triggers are set up, so. So that's all that was through inquiry. I didn't do any kind of drugs, recreationally, I didn't even drink, actually, there was a 10 year period went through this whole process, I didn't drink any alcohol, didn't eat any meat. never did any drugs, or psychedelics or anything like that. It was just purely through curiosity. And experimenting, I jumped out of planes, I swam sharks. I do things to put myself in these in these circumstances, where I would be where typically I would feel fear, or stress, you know, discomfort, and then observe my thoughts. And then I journal a minute, like, track everything. And then as I started noticing patterns, I was able to, you know, kind of shifts in my thoughts in those moments, or ask myself questions in those moments of, why am I feeling this way, what am I afraid of, you know, keep digging deep, until I could move out of it, or at the very least, just bring myself present and just bring myself present would pull any fear out of me in those moments. So, so I was able to, like, figure out these three pillars of fear, you know, time, you know, you know, being fearless in the future, many times triggered by the past experience in the present. So if I was able to pull myself for the future into the present, fear would go away. Second, was attachment. And it wasn't whether you had an attachment or not, as that nature, the attachment. i came to the conclusion that attachments are actually healthy for us, because that's how we develop relationships and relationships that are how we grow, whether it's what things are people who are ideas, their ideals. But if the attachment structure is set up as something that's very rigid, then when the universal forces push on you and this person place thing, ideal, you're attached to create stress in the system, right? It's like a beam holding you guys together. And you're holding, essentially, you're holding that object in a position where you think it should be relative to you. And then all these forces keep pushing on you guys. And, and then eventually, you might snap them. And the other version of it was like called gravitational orbital attachment, where you like, oh, and I think still there. And as universal forces push on you, it just rotates around you like moving around a planet, like your orbit. And it was keeping in the places of gravity. And the difference in the two was the first one, I was, like, I'd be focused on the object, trying to control it and manage it, relative to where I think it should be relative to me. The second scenario, when I let go, I'm actually focused on myself bettering myself growing, you know, intellectually, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and becoming a bigger being, and then, and then the right things end up staying in my orbit, and the wrong things natural gravitate away. So, so the idea there was letting go, yeah. So and then the third pillar I found was what I call Well, it's an attachment to a specific outcome and call that an expectation. So yeah, having expectations I found were really well, people have expectations, to proceed expectation before you even have an expectation, you have to have a goal, right. And so people have goals, because they want to propel themselves in a direction and before it and that's, that's normal, that's healthy. You need something to work towards something that makes you feel like you're progressing. Otherwise, you're being kind of contracts. So if you don't have progress, you become you know, you've got stagnant and there's no flow. So, so you need progress to create flow, so um, but then they create an expectation, think expectation, essentially a very specific, fully-formed outcome of what they want based on this goal. And the goal is actually based on an intention. So if you got three letters D, if you go expectation below, that's a goal below. That's an intention. So promise, when you achieve it, when you achieve a goal, there's no real elation. There's no real joy because you expected it. So you know, but if you don't, there's, yeah, yeah, there's just like, okay, checkbox and move on, there's no emotional like, benefit to them. When you don't achieve it, then you know, there's chance of demoralization disappointment, sadness, you know, you might end up not, not trying to keep going, because, you know, you had this really tight expectation. But I found that if I switched that, my lens on that, and you need, you need something to move towards, right. So I'm not countering expectations, I just what I'm what I'm, what I discovered is that I switched my lenses on it to make that a preference, then it releases a stress from it of not achieving, and if you do achieve it, there is elation, because you're like, Oh, well, it worked out, you know, it happened like I was wanting to but not expecting it to. And if you don't, it leaves rooms for that same goal, to be served in other ways that you may not thought of. And, and if you go even deeper, maybe the goal isn't even relevant anymore maybe the intention is served in a different way that this path is a dead end, but still gets addressed. And another, another whole, you know, series of events that you may never imagine. And I found myself that when you know, throw something out there as a potential, you know, like as a goal and then an expectation, you know, for an outcome of what that goal would look like. Because it gives me direction, but then I leave open space for other creative forces to come in and help optimize, you know, that direction. So. So just going from expectation and preference, fear goes away. So I found that one of those three things, the three pillars, all three have to be activated, for fear to exist. All three, all three, you have to be the future, you have to have original detachment, and you have to have an expectation. If you take any one of those three, down into those three pillars down the table, fear goes away. and the fear goes away. So be there being yourself present. Yeah, which is more of an immediate thing. It's like a short, short term thing you do, can't be present all the time. You should try it. But it's a good practice. But usually most people have to, you know, project and plan and all that stuff. Or you can change the nature of attachment, you know, from rigid to orbital, I call it, or you could change your expectation to preference. Are you doing those three things? Fear tends to go away? Yeah. And then you have this issue like Well.

CK LIN 25:13
So I really love the way that you articulated from expectation to preference. it's a really useful mental tool. Because when you have expectations is easy for upsets, doesn't go the way exactly the way I wanted to go. But preference allows for room for new possibilities. For new probabilistic outcome. Right. So but I want to follow up with you about the gravitational force. Yeah, I also love that mental image as well. So how do you increase your gravitational force? What kind of tactical, daily disciplines that you do as a way to increase your gravitational force?

RAVE MEHTA 25:58
Me there are many different things for different people. You know, meditation is a really good way for me to I just had my own practice that kind of worked for me, like, my tends to be a no mind based, meaning I don't, I don't have led meditations, I just kind of sit there and breathe, breathe into silence and, and I just allow my mind to kind of simmer and then essentially settle, and then allow energy to kind of bubble up from that. So. So I just try to experiment a different breathing patterns, usually three, inhale, three, hold through, exhale. 3x3x3x3 or 5x5x5x5, equal parts works for me, sometimes people do a box 3333 or, you know, they hold, exhale for three, identify the inhale, hold, exhale, with a pause, and then, you know, that kind of works well for me. But you know, changes to so sometimes I'll have longer exhales to relax my systems. Or if I need more energy, or longer inhales, to settle my body, my body feels out of whack or tight, deeper inhales. So I think that's one one tool, you know, nature is a great tool. You know, I think in inquiries is my biggest like, just being curious about, what am I interested in? What am I curious about? When I'm feeling Why am I feeling that way? You know, fear was gave me something specifically to solve for, you know, but then I started, you know, solving for what's if I figure that out, I start solving for flow, like, oh, how do I access more, you know, and then flow out of me this concept of there are these universal truths, that I'm here to experience, my experience that truths are the aha moment that epiphany, you know, then I pop one of these truth bubbles, and the truth bullets have flow in it, and that flow falls into an increases my baseline like, my baseline pool of flow goes up,

CK LIN 28:03
When you discovered these truth bubbles.

RAVE MEHTA 28:05
Yeah, yeah. And these truth bubbles are like these aha moments, you know, it gives us a higher discovered, Oh, my gosh, that, that's the top there are, there's a little aha or a big aha, they all flow in it. And once you have these aha moments, once you pop a truth bubble, you don't go back, you own that flow, you cannot know it, you cannot know it. That means you can't un-flow it. So the flow, you own that flow from so. So then you just keep leveling up your baseline, so

CK LIN 28:33
Oh, interesting. So you didn't believe in entropy? Where if you don't maintain it, you would degrade over time?

RAVE MEHTA 28:40
Not truth. There are other things that degrade over time, if you don't maintain it, like your body and your mind and things like that. But truths stay.

CK LIN 28:57
So define truth? And where do you find your truths? Where do you pop your tooth bubbles? Or how you do that?

RAVE MEHTA 29:03
Well, I differentiate, like, there are various types of truth, there's my truth, which is my truth based on my limited perception and experience and information I have, then there's a collective truth, which is a truth based on a mutual agreement by many people, like, this is wrong. And this is right, you know, killing somebody is wrong, you know, you can have a collective group of people said, That's wrong. And then you might have another collective group people saying, No, that's, that's okay. We're more, you know, so. So there's collective truths. And, and then there's what I call universal truths. There's the universal truth, where it doesn't matter, what you are, or what collection of people what society, what race, what what being Even you are, whether animal or human, or a plant, or even a rock, you know, that this truth holds true fundamental. You know, and the only the laws of physics there, so was it, it was kind of like its own set of laws, and which are not around material things. It's around this stuff beyond material things, right? The metaphysical things, right. So, yeah, universal truth might be, you know, I mean, it's kind of hard because they tend to be triggered by circumstances, and attentive, discovered through circumstance that only filter out the circumstance. The truth still hold. You know, so I think of an example. You know, like, a lot of times if I, you know, when I feel like someone is, you know, like, when I was younger, like, oh, someone mistreated me, you know, or this, or an ex girlfriend had, you know, you know, gave me a hard time about something, you know, and I get angry about it. I react her or him or whoever the person is, and then a universal truth out discovers, after doing doing processing a lot of these things is it always came back to me it was my misperception. that was causing the anger yeah, so there's a fear. So if I was angry, that means I was in a state of fear, and then the state of fear why, you know, I do the, my WHYs, my call my five WHYs to, you know, kind of dig deeper into what's causing the fear. And I find these assumptions, and it was always my perspective, I always look back, you know, I start by blaming the other person. And then over time, it kind of loop back to Well, why am I blaming the other person, so, so forth, until I realized, Oh, well, I want to feel this way. And I'm not getting this. And then until it always leads back to me realizing, oh, I'm the only one that's preventing myself from moving forward or protecting myself and moving forward, you know, because I have some old program that feels like I need protection, why there's no longer relevant. And then I realized that all that stuff goes away. And the person is still either yelling at me. But I'm not reacting anymore. I'm actually flipped from reaction to responding and understanding and compassion. And like, Oh, my gosh, this person's in pain or something? How can I help? So just flip some attitude?

CK LIN 32:18
In the moment,

RAVE MEHTA 32:19
after a while, after a while, you realize that you get better at it. It's a practice, everything's a practice, right? Life is a practice. So. So yeah, I could do that moment. Since If someone was yelling at me, for my first my first reaction and first, you know, thought would be Hell, no, no, you're wrong. And I go, Wait a minute, like, my feeling stress, okay? Pause, let me understand the person better. And then when you do that, more and more, you just go straight to that, that's your default. default is why are you, you start asking, why are they feeling that way. And then you pull the judgment out, you pull the assumptions out, and you go into a state of pure understanding, and, and then when you go to state of understanding it goes to the compassionate, and then the compassion, you know, helps you see things clearly. That, you know, the key to life, I found is not taking things personally, right. So yeah, I mean, you take things personally, that means you're unsafe here. So yeah, if your state of trust, which is the opposite of fear, that's a state that's another state of another word for state of trust, the state of awareness, the more aware you are, the more trust and trust you are. And awareness means understanding, and observing. So to be aware, you have to observe and understand. So the more you observe, the more you understand, the more aware you are, the more aware you are, the more you can resolve things. Or the more control you actually have every situation that you do when you're acting so. So. So that's like an example universal truth. Like I discovered these things like, oh, wow, it's never it's, it's never about me. It's always about something else. I just happen to be there.

CK LIN 33:56
it's easy to say, though, intellectually, yeah, gets a little harder, or much harder when it is your loved ones, people that is closest to you. And they, they have certain their own stuff going on. their own programming, interacting with my programming, and now all of a sudden, it's programming and programming. Right?

RAVE MEHTA 34:19
the thing you said is, it's all programming though, right? It's their programming your programming means it's not you or them, right. So when you're what I found is, when you're in a state of fear reacting from a state of programming, we're in your state of trust, your state of awareness, which is no longer programming, because you can't be in a programming you're trying to understand your own.

CK LIN 34:42
so so so I guess the question would be like, in that moment, because I'm triggered as well, right? I mean, my own process of being a fear, angry, whatever, is whatever reaction. And my commitment is to be in the presence of love. Right, right. And then to be received with love, as well. So to interrupt that programming, the automatic response is the challenging part. So I'm aware of it. But now how do I stop the train from leaving the station?

RAVE MEHTA 35:13
Right? So that's, that's good question. So I mean, well, the hardest part is being aware to like know, recognizing you're in a state of fear. So, you know, the first thing I suggest to people is, like, if you feel any kind of stress, or discomfort, mentally, emotionally, physically, physically being like, you feel pains or you know, versus like, you know, a brick hitting your head, and you're in a state of fear. Right? So if there's any kind of stress on your system, mentally, emotionally, physically, you know, somatically, I guess, then you're in a state of fear. So once you know youre in state of fear, then my first go to was like, okay, there's something wrong with me and how I'm perceiving this and not the other person. Yeah, that might be true. There might be something wrong in how they're perceiving it. But what I need to focus on is what am I miss perceiving?

CK LIN 36:09
It's a powerful place to come from that space. Yeah. Well, then is it then you're not a victim of someone else.

RAVE MEHTA 36:15
Yeah, exactly. You're significantly more control, because you can't do anything as a victim. Very little, very little leverage. Yeah, you're like at the end of a seesaw. Versus at the center, where you have full, you know, full leverage, right? So very little leaverage. Yeah, you're at the mercy of everything else. So. So the idea, something's wrong with me. So what am I miss perceiving that something's wrong with me as it being like, something's wrong with the way I'm perceiving something. And I'm missing information, or there's a program that's been there that doesn't belong there anymore. You know, that's triggering this in me from my past. So then there's, they're asking myself, why am I feeling this way? Or I do want to do things. If I'm in the moment with somebody and argument, I started asking them questions. So why they're feeling this way. And I move into this mindset of trying to understand them. Kind of like if you're an engineer by trade, right, and build bridges and roads, and airports and transportation, infrastructure, is what I grew up doing. And, you know, for bridges and working, I don't blame the bridge. You know, I figured out what, what what what's going on why try to understand why it isn't working, you know, did I miss calculate something to you know, what is causing, you know, the failure in the major, whatever it is so, so same with the person, the person is not working, you try to understand why working in there in a state of fear, they're freaking out or angry or upset, or sad, or depressed, or whatever. You just try to understand them. And then you ask enough questions. You get more data, and the more data you have, the more understanding you have about yourself, because then you find the things that you're reacting to. You know, so, if I'm not there, if I'm not in a moment with somebody, then I just asked myself, these five wise, like, Well, why am I feeling that way? You know, why am I did that? You know, figure that out? Why am I feeling bad? Or why am I you know, I keep going down until I figure out some root assumption, okay, I'm feeling disrespected. Yeah. Well, when once I figure out some one of these root things, then I'll then kind of regress myself, Well, when did I first feel disrespected, that keep progressing myself to understand when that first happened. And once I discover that, then I try to get more data as try to move myself in that state at that time, and then try to get data around that. And see what what else was happening at that point in time. Because in that moment, in time, when I was 10 years old, I'm sure I missed a bunch of things, you know, so try to get more data now, from that point of view. And over time, as they collect more data end up numbing that charge. That mean, that emotional charge around being disrespected. And then eventually, having a aha moment was like, oh, that wasn't me, it was them or something, something like that, something that kind of fills in all the blanks and kind of finishes a sphere, it fills in the sphere, around that one point of view, and gives me 360 perspective. And then, and then once that charge there is no longer a program. You know, it's just a memory. So moves from a charged state to a completely neutralized data set, you know, and then anything that's connected to that, you know, that, you know, link to that, you know, we call them these, these chains, right, chains of fear that this magnetized is and attracts another situation like that, dang, it keeps doing that to figure it out. Then all those chains get, you know, usually everything that triggers neutralize as well, including the moment you're in. So it goes back to it's a practice. Yeah, Yeah, it does. Like, the more you do it, and I did it for, you know, over a period of 15 years, I kept chiseling away at this and figure out more and kept doing it and doing it, and shed so much of my programming and fears around it. And as I shed more stuff, I saw other things so much more clearly. I'm good. My filters were being cleared up. Right? Yeah, the stuff in the way that prevents you from seeing some of these truths. You know, the truths are right there, they're always present. Just we just end up we just got to get this stuff out the way stuff that's in the way of us seeing or experiencing those things, right. So So yeah, so became really, after a few get a few these things, you're like, it becomes fun becomes a game, then you're like the video look for the next time you're triggered.

CK LIN 40:49
So on that note to you conscientiously put yourself in more and more challenging situations, whether it be physically challenging or emotionally challenging, intellectually challenging, as a way to stretch your comfort zone.

RAVE MEHTA 41:02
Yeah, I did in the beginning, because it helped me observe things. And now I just feel like, when I'm trying to work towards, you know, I just keep upping your game, I guess you keep helping your ante, and then you find yourself triggered, or, you know, find challenges and hurdles you come up with. And, you know, usually most of them have to do with people, you know, and to put yourself in these situations where there's new relationships, or new businesses or new, creative endeavors, so whatever. You know, if you're a musician you play in small venues, and, okay, well, I've done that enough, let me try a bigger venue. And that's a new set of challenges, you know, the bigger one are that now let me try something on TV or whatever. So I try composing a score for a film, so you keep adding challenges to expand your experience set the diversity. So yeah, so over, consciously, and subconsciously, I keep adding. Once I feel like I've resolved a challenge, I try to, you know, somehow naturally find a new one. You know, and, and the question is, like, why do we do this, is because we're, net by nature, as a human being, we're always pursuing higher degrees of freedom. And as we find another degree of freedom, and every truth, we experience moves up the freedom ladder, you know, and, and this is true, individually and collectively, right? I mean, you see wars fought, or revolutions take place, because people by nature do not like to be contained, and it can be contained for certain, you know, certain time period, they could extend that based on green systems and stuff. But inevitably, if someone's freedom is restricted, without reason or beyond reason, there will be some kind of response to that. It's just in our nature, you know, consciously and subconsciously, and it's in our programming, and so we are naturally doing that, we're always pursuing it with freedom. So there's a correlation to that, the higher the more freedom you access to more flow you have access to. So so to pursue more freedom is to pursue more flow. And flow is love. So you're actually pursuing more love. So it's, and then the more freedom you're accessing, the less fear you have. So there's correlation there, too. So I gotta, I gotta express that properly. So the more trust you have less fear, you have their counterforces, more fear you have, the less trust you have. So you can have freedom, but if you have free, but you know, there are things that go along with trust, there's awareness that goes along with trust, and also responsibility, you know, so, you know, the more freedom you have, that you earn, that you're working towards gain, then the more responsibility you have, that goes along with it, right. So like, as a baby, you know, we we need boundaries, and we fear helps create boundaries, so we could optimize our energy within those that space. So fear has a purpose to it. And it's creating friction, to help us harness and focus our energy to understanding and optimizing that level, so to speak. And, you know, you see this as a baby, at first, you're a baby, you're in a crib, you know, and that's the level of your freedom is that crib right? Now, once you get comfortable moving around, and all that stuff, then you know, they might get you a bigger crib, you know, then eventually, you're now in a bed, you know, with the parents, you know, then eventually you're in your own bed, and then your own room and you have your, you know, then you could do what you want in the home, you know, then eventually let you outside on your own, you know, without being watched. So you're just expanding your this case, physical boundaries, once you have control of mastery of the battery that you have, then, you know, then you release those boundaries and set new boundaries. So you can expand, because if you just have no boundaries, then your energy and focus gets completely diffused. Right. Right. So you never end up mastering and growing and connecting, right, So the idea is to create boundaries to learn and focus your energy to understand and master that set of circumstances, and then keep expanding your boundaries. And then, you know, keep doing that problem comes in is when we never reset our boundaries. And a lot of people get stuck in old boundaries, whether through religion, or institutional or parental programming, or, you know, you know, society or community, whatever. And they apply old boundary rules to systems that are those boundaries aren't relevant anymore. So those fears are no longer relevant. Yeah, because you're in a different setup, and, and our different set of circumstances. So catching those things that are racing this boundaries is really important. And then once again, create new boundaries is just as important. So you have enough or protective space to master and not get distracted. So

CK LIN 46:14
on that note, how do you pick the right sized? new project? new scope, new boundaries?

RAVE MEHTA 46:21
Yeah. So well, you know, Steven Kotler talked about in Rise of Superman is like, the optimal state of flow is when your your challenge to skill ratio, your challenge is 4%, higher than your scalability. So it keeps you you know, because of your challenges, you don't have a challenge, then you get bored, if it's too challenging, you get to give up. So 4%, the optimal thing to keep in the state of where you feel connected, everything is effortless, and so on, so forth. So So that's for flow. But if you need a plan, you just have to kind of feel it out, like, say, Okay, I want to go from, you know, whether it's income, you could go from x to y, you know, and sometimes, I mean, if you perceive things properly, those boundaries aren't even necessary, because it's all human constructs. You just pick what you want. And it happens. Yeah, boundaries in other circumstances. So Sure. So after a while, you realize you don't need boundaries. So it's

CK LIN 47:21
Why don't you do unpack that a little bit more? Because one, if I just google your name, there's a Wikipedia page about you. Right? You are an entrepreneur, you're a hedge fund manager, you are very accomplished pianist, you produce a graphic novel. Wow. One may say. How does this guy do it all? Was there a pivotal moment in your life where you realize that you can do it all? And how did you come to become this polymath?

RAVE MEHTA 47:55
Yeah, good question. I think it was when I was researching fear. And why discussion, fear, first of all, it's not necessary. It's it's mostly programmed, you know, there's instinctual stuff, you know, that's their way or flight or flight kicks in to keep you alive. But most is perceived, right? It's what fear is all perceived, but but you know, certain cases, even in this fight or flight moments, awareness is way more powerful than fear. Right? So. But, you know, until people develop an awareness, level awareness, then fear serves a purpose. So, so when I was researching fear, I kept shedding myself, sheding all these fears that are no longer serving me. I started seeing things more clearly what how things can be and should be and what they really are, by its nature, and what we have to unwind in ourselves on programming. I realize that we are limitless beings, right? That we could do anything. It's not obvious when you have all the programming because we're programmed to focus on one thing, and you can only do this and you only make so much money they get put into a machine. And when you get put in the machine, then all you see is your your boundaries. You know, you don't see that. So, you know, traveling was a good thing when I started seeing and correlating other lifestyles, that worked in different industries to start off as an engineer, civil engineer working my family business, and then I went into tech, and then I wanted to VR and learning and that startup did virtuality for military training and simulation systems. And that was really interesting. Because I, I learned how people learned. And that helped me figure out how to optimize learning. And then I spent, you know, during that time, I was chasing fear and trying to figure that out. And once I was able to figure out how to remove fears, I was like, oh, gosh, I could try this. And if there's no fear, then you have a better chance of succeeding or delivering something interesting. And then there's this piece, this other piece of me is like, my life design is not around me, this is a choice. I made, I guess, somewhere along the way, and I remember when, how, but I guess what I want to get out of this life is to experience as much as possible. And so my life is centered around gaining novel experiences that I find interesting, and I think would be something that's helpful to others. You know, whether it's humanity is a large or my family or my loved ones, you know, like doing a podcast interview. Yeah, or this podcast, I really Exactly. So um, so I actually pursue experiences, that's kind of my decided that, you know, other people pursue mastery in a subject or, you know, in whether it's mastering a area of business or an industry or an art form, or whatever else. Mine was to experience all those and find what connects them all. And so I so passionately, I've been involved in so many different, I don't know, professions is the right word, because they're not all professions, but ranging from engineering to defense stuff to VR and learning the accelerated learning, I was a professor, I was taught my Montessori school, I was the creative director for the New York City, 2012 Olympic cultural Olympic campaign, when they're going through the 2012 Olympics, I dealt with 104 countries and all their cultural ministries, and they're feeding me all their different art forms, or their artists in these various categories, putting together a large scale production like that. It's like a producer, some films, produce music pianist, you know, an EDM EDM album out there, under my name called a renaissance you know, to what I'm doing now, which is in the water and blockchains crypto and, and spend a lot of time working in that field for the last six, seven years, and then doing global and organizing global meditations. So I had like a really weird, vast array of different things I've done, but what's interesting is, there's so many patterns, and all of them, a lot of them 80% of them are all handled the same way.

CK LIN 52:20
So unpack that for us, please?

RAVE MEHTA 52:22
Well, I mean, first of all, you have to have a curiosity. You know, so if you have a curiosity, you figure all the nuances, you know, every kind of profession or industry has the hierarchy, you know, whether smaller, big doesn't matter, and they have a social, you know, social structure to it. And, you know, what, you know, who is the most respected and the most knowledgeable and the most successful with a defined successful for that category, and, and then there is a value system associated with it, you know, like, what they value like an entertainment, you know, they're different things are valued than technology, you know, like entertainment as relationships and how many followers you have, and, you know, those types of things where in technology, it's, you know, like your engineering skill, you know, or your, or your ability to, you know, build a company, you know, or something like that. And, and civil engineering is different. It's, you know, it's your golf ability. Because you're dealing with government, you know, the bureaucrats control, big budgets, you know, they're there to protect the public's money in and pay, you know, higher, you know, people to build a road or whatever, and make sure it's done correctly. And the best conversations happen over a golf course, and they all love to play golf, at least in Florida. So Florida has a good golf courses. So you know, so the good, the great, the people that are great golfers and be revered more, and you know, and people who are on the golf feel more to get more projects, because they have more social bonding, that takes place. Interesting. So if you're not playing golf, and you're a disadvantage, you know, so so there's value sets and things like that, that are across every industry, New York is financing media, right? You're either working for investment bank, they're very revered if you're or some, you know, large corporations, very institutional focused, and, you know, it has entrepreneurial in this also, but it's not as strongly supportive as it is on the west coast i found. Florida is mainly like real estate development and construction and whatnot, because you have so many people moving down to Florida, that they keep building, keep building roads and building houses and things like that. So that and tourism. So those are like the master industries there. Yeah. So it's interesting, when you started looking at the patterns of different cities and different communities and what, you know, what, what is the foundation economics on for them, that tends to be what? What all the value sets and other things start to rotate around. Now, if you go to like the Eastern, you know, the eastern world, like in India, it's becoming more westernized. But before that, there's a whole value set around spirituality and, you know, religion and, and their values. That was the very opposite of materialism at one point, you know, the, in the western materialistic society, the more assets you have, the more wealth you have, the more revered you are, or the higher up the chain you are, the more respected you are. Right? Yeah, on that? Yeah. So and even a small committee is if you, if you made a lot of money, you know, like smoking, it could be like, you know, you have $500,000, and that's your big deal. You know, we're in San Francisco that, you know, that gets you one or two engineers, if it does, if that, you know, so it's a different scale, right. So it's all relative, but the Eastern culture is not, which is actually the opposite. Like, the more you've lived, get, you let go or given up. And you know, like the sages that are been meditating in the mountains by themselves through the last three years, or more revered, than, you know, the guy that's running a business in a town, you know, because that person actually has less, he's given up. it's the counter culture approach which is really interesting. I found that to be like, refreshing in some ways, where you say, okay, the less I have, and the more I focused on my, my inner space, so to speak, versus the external, valid, external things than the more reverenceI have. But you know, but a lot of those people actually would pursue reverence through that path. But it's still they're pursuing reverence. Right. So there's still an ego component to it. So there are some interesting blend there where I found you know, there's a documentary called wild wild country What about a Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Osho. And he had a really cool approach. And you know, yeah, I actually have a lot of respect for Osho because you know, I don't you know, when you see the documentary didn't paint a great picture of him, but he wasn't even in most of those incidences is that other woman that was Sheila that was orchestrating a lot of that he was kind of in vow of silence the behind the scenes for a while. And he said, I want to try new experiment. You said the western man is half man, because they're very materialistic, but they've given up the forsaken spirituality. Eastern man is very spiritual, but they forsaken materialism. Let's try a new experiment. Let's create a full man that's a materialistic spiritualist and bring materialism and spirituality together. And that was what he set out to do and, and exemplify the he. Well, he had dozens of rolls Royce's, but still spoke truth. Like it was just flowing out of his mouth like waterfalls, if you actually read any of his books, stop it says pure truth. You see if I ask Gordon stuff, yeah, it's amazing. And I can have my British and stuff, high vibrational stuff, and he has so much but I mean, this guy has so much presence. If you strip away all the other stuff that happened, he had so much presence that he's show, like, he inspired a whole bunch of people to build a city. For him, like literally from scratch. I mean, when they moved to Oregon, it was they had a blast mountains data, you know, rock down to create enough length, you know, enough flatland to build a city and farms and all that stuff to be completely self sustainable. And they just cared about housing, their community, I think when they start getting harassed by the outside, who felt you know, who were in a state of fear, like, what are these guys doing here? Why are they all dressed in red and whatever else? You know, then, you know, they're, they're protecting themselves, in most cases, you know, at least in the beginning. And you know, they didn't start arming themselves until they, their hotel had some bombed their hotel. No, man, right. So everything was in response to protecting their community, which anyone would do, you know, if it and in a certain point, they're like, it got out of hand, but you know, they're pushed it is. So the idea for one guy that that much presence and he had no, he really had no money had nothing. He all he had was his truth that he spoke, which will eventually convert into books to create that big of a draw. It's really interesting. That's powerful. Yeah. And it wasn't just Oregon, it's all over the world, or that that became, you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of cities are forming around his teachings in this book says true, it's.

CK LIN 59:38
So what do you think about his experiment, because they're in the spiritual community, seem to look down on money. Money is evil, bad or the pursuit of money? means bad.

RAVE MEHTA 59:47
That's what he said. He says, you know, the spiritual is forsake materialism, and the material is for sex, but the spiritual ism. Yeah, so they're both half full. That I found that really intriguing. I can agree with me, like, it's gotta be a way where, you know, you could use were both conserve, and integrate both can be integrated in a way where, you know, neither are Yeah, well, they're both actually help enhance one's being.

CK LIN 1:00:14
I mean, my mental model is this money is nothing by fuel energy, vibration. And same thing with universal truth. Right, it has its own vibration. So I don't see any kind of conflict with it whatsoever.

RAVE MEHTA 1:00:26
Money is just energy exchange. Right? Yeah, it's actually exchange energy. That's, that's fundamentally is what it is. But then once again, depends on your culture. It's so money is like water takes on the shape of the container, the containers, the culture. So the culture is revering those who have more money and using that money for getting more things, bigger houses, bigger planes, is that then and there's creating a divide, you know, as you know, between people who don't have her can't get those things, and that's the culture then, then that's where money starts becoming used in a way that's not Yeah, that that could cause division and problems. And, you know, that's where money becomes evil, right? Because then you're taking money away from certain people to, you know, to grow something that doesn't need any more growth, without, you know, by putting other people in harm's, you know, and in a harmful state. So, now that money is saying, Okay. And, you know, I'm just throwing examples out there, but the money is being used in a way to support the whole, you know, not just a few, you know, then then it's being used in a positive way. And then money is facilitating a growth of a society, a civilization amplifier, it's an amplifier was an amplifier. It just depended In either case, just depends on if it is it used, what well, depends on what the cultural containers, the cultural containers, design, and like, like, Japan is a very interesting place. Right. So their, you know, their, their culture that was developed, has a long term perspective, right? So they look at generations. And the culture is based on their honor, that honor code and honor system, you know, their level of integrity is extremely high. Because their culture defines that as a higher priority than how much well do you have, like, I remember hearing a story, my friend just told me, they're in Tokyo. And they're just reminiscing on how impressed he was, by the integrity of Japanese people who said, you know, they ran from one train to another. And gnosis daughter, she fell off in the other train, and a guy ran into the door of the train that just got into as his closing with their daughter shoe. And even though he wasn't going in that direction, he found a shoe, ran it to them to exist to give it to, and now you had to wait 30 minutes to go in the wrong direction to get on another train to the back back to the where you started, and then back to where you're trying to get to. So just level integrity of the people were really, you know, he was really impressed by and I find that I found that with Japanese people in general, and, you know, I've engaged with them in business or whatever else is there. Their honor, CK was very strong, you know, and, and, culturally, that's more revered than a lot of the other things that we revere in the Western society, we're here, it's not the case, you know, that's not we don't have that level of integrity or, or honor. You know, it's more independent. Everyone's on their own kind of mentality. Now, in India, you have a nuclear family, which is very opposite scenario, where we work in, we work as a group or a team, for better or worse, it's a, you know, they both other, everything has their pros and cons, but we were, you know, as a family unit, you know, because there you have to work together to survive, you know, because otherwise, you start here, there's enough foundational wealth that you could actually work individually and still survive, you know, but then it creates this, you know, fierce independence, where we forget to, you know, work in a collective as a team, unless you're paid to, you know, versus, and the nature of family or something like that, you know, the number one thing, parents here says, I can't wait for my kids to go to high school, cuz I'm free. Yeah, or college, you know, when they're off to college, they're like, waiting for the day that after, you know, after they hit their teenage years, they're waiting for the day, they're out of the house, right? We're in India, it's so interesting, because,

you know, when they, you know, forget graduate college, or whatever, you know, they get married to the tendency is for them to still live at home, because they're added to the family, they just added the member to the family and the stories, you know, so even when they're married, they're living at home until they start having their own kids, and then they move out, right, you know, to their own home to expand their family. Yeah. So. So it's not, they're actually don't want their members to leave, right, the whole boat, so to speak, because it's the feel more power when they're together. So cultural containers, control containers, money is the fuel, or the water, of course, on containers and the catalyst. So it's, if you want to, if you if one wants to, I guess, redefine the definition of money or the value set of money. They do that by redefining the values of the culture. And then money just flows into the new container.

CK LIN 1:05:37
Interesting. Say that a little bit more. also I wanted to, because you're the name of your headphone is flow capital. So say a little bit more about that, like that extract idea a little bit more.

RAVE MEHTA 1:05:49
Yeah. So I mean, if you think of everything is flow, right? movement is flow. So money is flow. It's you know, it's energy flowing and you know, the direction you send it to Chris exchange you know, capitals flow right. So I you know, all my all my things have some kind of flow name to flow capital of flow labs, which is my incubator for my technology companies. flow, My show is called flow the show. That's my yoga mix with circus Olay show to my panel concert, my flow piano sound bad Sir, my sound bass to help induce flow and people while they're laying down meditating while I play for an hour. So I tend to pull flow seems to be like a central theme of my life, you know, my books that I'm writing is on flow, and how that works. The mechanics of it. So, yeah, so they so found, of some reason flows tended to be become a central theme, and, you know, waters, various, you know, has a strong connotation of flow, right. So I think the whole idea of flow is the life force that connects everything, and everyone. What's more interesting than that, you know, like the mic, at least from an engineering perspective, how does that work? Like? That's an interesting thing to figure out. It's an interesting thing to discover and uncover and, and even codify to some degree of the mechanics of how life force works. And how can it be harnessed? And how can we leverage and use to better society better? individuals better, humanity is better, not just humanity as a species, but better all species, you know, so. But it's at the root of everything

CK LIN 1:07:36
Is flow, the root of everything?

RAVE MEHTA 1:07:39
Well, I defined flows life force. So life force has to move for to be a force, it's not moving, it's not force. So the first law is, so fluid life force to me is synonymous. You know, when people talk about flow state, that's a state when you having access to a lot of life force. Right? So a state of flow is state when you have a lot of flow, which is a lot of life force. So that's how I've been. That's how I've been defining it and kind of using the word flow. Yeah, so so I think at the root of all things, is this force that binds and connects everything. And also as the power source of what keeps everything working, and going and moving and alive, and you know, and then when you're in a state of fear, you're contracting your pipe to access immortal life force. And when your state of trust, you're expanding your pipe, so you're getting more of it, you know, so. So understanding even that fundamental mechanic was really helpful for me to say, well, the more interesting the more life force and game the more flowing game that for my body regenerates faster, I have more clarity, so I have better brain processing abilities, I can make better decisions, you know, it all, it all connects as far as how the mechanics work. So there's this really interesting in my head, at least seven codified or wrote it all down? Yep, there's this really large framework of how all these things work and interact and push and pull off each other. These knobs and levers, you know, that can be used to really tap into not just our, you know, superhuman abilities, so to speak, or, or fully human abilities, but even our purpose. So like, what are we doing here? Right? You know, what are we doing here? Here, discovering my, where I'm at now, this is we're really here to discover the universal truths. And we need these bodies and these environments to do that, because we need something new any friction, to push us to the point where we could, you know, come across and pop this truth bubbles. And it's a game, you know, so it takes flow to get flow, like it takes money to make money, right? Money is flows, you see how they're correlated. But it's, you pop a bubble, and you get these truths. And I'd say there's probably let's pick a number of their 6000, some hundred universal truths that we're here to experience. Sure. Right. And you can under you can intellectualize know them, you can know the of them, email them, but you don't really no limit to experience it. So I could tell you what they are, like I told you, but to experience, it doesn't have the same effect. You don't have to have to experience it, right.

CK LIN 1:10:27
it's knowledge, experience, and then environment.

RAVE MEHTA 1:10:30
Right. Right. That's the introduction. Exactly. Yeah. So when you experience it, it's, you gain that flow. And the more flow you get, the more of these truth bubbles, you get, just truths you can experience until you are so until you experienced all the truths, for example, then your body has so much flow that a hat cannot hold on an energy and it is no longer necessary, then you transcend or move on. And once again, once you own a truth, you don't go back. So if you believe in reincarnation, you come back, you start with the baseline truth you already popped. And you're you're keep going until you pop incarnated until you pop all these truths. And as you do that you develop karma and whatever else, you know that you're going to like release, but those are parts part of the discovery process of popping all the street level. So really, everything here is excuse discover more truth, my family, my relationships, my career. All these are excuses to put myself in situations to interact with people or circumstances to find my friction and trigger points, to then backward engineer to figure out what that next truth allow me to pop. So without this environment, and all these trigger points, these programs and things, I won't be able to discover these truths, because there's no focus, say opportunity for growth, everything is an opportunity growth, every interaction. So then I started realizing Well, my part so I changed my priorities around like I my priorities became on creating positive human interactions, positive emotional changes, and using the social exchanges, which trigger me as opportunity to discover another truth pop another truth bubble. So I could create more positive social exchanges, and help other people discover their, you know, their true knowledge. So or pop their truths about their truth bubbles discover their truths, and, or their universal truths, then, which changed everything because my original thing was focusing on creating value for myself creating validity, right, I needed to validate my space in the world, or I needed to create, I needed I needed to prove that I deserved to be here. You know, their fries. First, I started doing all these things. Because I try and create value myself, you know, and like, all these different career paths, and this and that. And then over time, I just realized I was the other way around. I belong here, I, the deserving of the fact I'm alive, shows I deserve to be here, I need to do is discover my truth, while I'm here. Take advantage of this time and discover as many of the universal truths as I can, and help others do the same. And as we do that, individually and collectively, that's how we really expand us. Not just a civilization, but as a collective set of beings. Yeah, yeah. And that's where the power is. And so I think just the rewiring or repaired ization of that simple thing, completely transformed my entire attitude, it released a lot of stress and a lot of fear, because I didn't either validate anymore, or at least not as much as you know, there's always programs there you got to work on but a big chunk of it was removed and I. And then my interactions with people are so different there. They tend to be way more interested in understanding and compassionate, then they are as self serving, or like, what can I get from this for what the trend is less transactional and more understanding and compassionate, if that's the priority, so my cultural container for my personal culture changed,

CK LIN 1:14:10
the context of which you interact with the world changed. So for those people that are interested in up being there, so one of my most recent meditation epiphany is about living life on high vibration, energy level, higher flow. So you can break it down for us. What are some of the tactical things that you do as a way to up your physical vibration? mental vibration, monetary, vibration, whatever it may be? creative vibration? Right? That will be very helpful for some of the people listening.

RAVE MEHTA 1:14:48
Yeah, well, I mean, shedding fear, going through the practice of identifying, you know, when you're in a state of fear, and all the things I mentioned before, figure out why you're in a state of fear, and then then releasing that fear and then repurposing your perception. So you don't create it again. That's a massive exercise. And through that, you will discover the lowest hanging fruit, that's the lowest hanging fruit, that's something you do every day. And just be aware of every day that make that your practice that you do for 30 days, then it becomes a habit and, you know, do that for a year, it becomes part of your culture. Yeah. So your personal culture, so that that's the biggest thing, inquiry, curiosity, inquiry and trying to understand what, why and what makes you afraid, you know, so it gives, it also creates a point of focus. And then the other thing was like a live I found that you know, me doing things that don't fuel me are not a sustainable, and I tend to drag out and delay things that I should be doing, you know, that do few, and I keep, you know, so there was a period time where I kept finding distractions, and myself, I've distract myself, all the new work on this project, even though I really want to do is this. But then this feels like, it'd be more validating quicker to me, because I could do it faster, and might be a job or something, consulting gig or whatever. And I never get to the other thing, or I get two years years later. So really engaging what you feel and your purpose, you know, evolve and change. Right. So you're you're you have your dharmas. And then you have your model right here, what they call, like your grand purpose. Right? I know that one. Yeah, so the Dharma didn't have them on. Yeah, so the modern was a grand purpose. But you don't, sometimes you have to peel back the layers of your purpose, the purpose is you come across, like your media purpose might be like, I didn't make enough money. So I could travel and do backpacking trip to Europe, or Asia. And when you get there, you do that you get there, then you discover your next purpose, very nice level. So if you peel back the layers and happens as you keep engaging the world, right? But then over time, you uncovered enough layers that you might figure out your ma professor, your mom, or your grandma, your grandpa purpose, at least in this lifetime. You know, and sometimes you're lucky, you'll figure it out for multiple lifetimes. I, for me, I feel like this truth all, you know, this church, you know, chasing truth is a pretty, you know, a higher purpose. And then I have all these many purposes to help me find more of those things. So I was able to figure out how to nest one with the other. But you know, that was after I did a lot of work, though, literally, jumped out of planes and swam with a shark. And I mean, just crazy things that at that time, was insane. It felt insane to me, you know. But after I did that, or you know, even in relationships, relationships are the best way to find your trigger points. Buddha says, I know that one of his followers, so like Buddha, how was the fastest way being light? We have two paths when you spend with me to spend time with me and, you know, being silence and meditate for the next 20 years? Or you can go get married? Yeah. So what is it? Yeah, it says you're probably you're probably gonna, like faster if I get married, because the relationship is the counterpoint to finding your triggers. And we tend to draw on relationships that help us find those triggers, which is the beautiful design of how this works, right. So there's something we need to work on, why not find the person that'll help us? You know, bring it up? And, and if we, you know, we might get mad at them, but we should actually be thanking them. Yeah. Right. So and arguing with those, you know, that person because they're making us feel uncomfortable, whatever. But in fact, we should be thanking them if we have this framework, if we understand. Right, you know, this larger perspective. So. So I think, yeah, I think that's kind of the, the zest of life, right? The what we're doing here, and it's just been rolling our path. So, you know, some people are earlier, some people are further down. And, but we are all at that one point. At some point in time. Yeah. So that goes back, there's no better or worse, you know, it's just, Rod. We're all in our place at the right time. Yeah, so.

CK LIN 1:19:22
So I appreciate that. I really appreciate it. Now, I'm going to tell my wife that, hey, you should really be thanking me. tactically, though, so for people who is interested in being more creative, or be more creative in the monetary sense. Oh, yeah. Is there anything that's more direct, other than the going inward? And looking at the deficient points?

RAVE MEHTA 1:19:48
Yeah. So I mean, so there are external tactical strategies and things like that. And then there's internal mindset. But the mindset ends up enabling the strategies, right. So shift the mindset, the biggest part, so runs good results, fear is the biggest thing, because then you don't have friction to move forward. And you have way more energy to get things done, right. So and then it's just an alignment, finding things that if you're going to spend that much energy and something meaningful spend on something you care about, because you can fail on either one. Yeah. So you know, so why not apply it to something that matters to that, you know, so. So alignment would be the next thing. And then the third thing is surround yourself by the people that know me, I'll say the word best people, you can, you know, you know, the best people that sense that one being better than another, but the best people relevant to that area of interest, you know, skills or capacity, yeah, skills access, you know, successful people have seen something, they figure something out, you know, so whether you see it consciously, or you just imbibe it subconsciously, by being around them, you'll see that the new isn't all successes in the nuances. Right, it's all in the subtle little things, like the way you say something to someone, or the way you read between the lines and something else, you know, as you speak, I spent a lot of time figuring it out yourself after a bunch of trials, or if you're around the right people that have done that, you can find it yourself in their company, than you just learn it very quickly, because you'll see it happen over and over again. So So, you know, surround yourself with the best people in the area that you really care about, and be interested in. And then really just having a you know, solid support system, whether you created yourself, you know, whether you whether you fall into community, like minded community or find the like minded community, you know, really shoring up that sense of support system where you feel like that belonging, that sense of one for me is always been about belonging. So, so that was my that was the thing is some people, you know, that's not their focus, because they already figured that out, they already feel that way. That's not, you know, they saw that in some in some other time or some other life. So yeah, going through that, yeah, good, then it goes back to just not being afraid to really just go after it. And then it goes back to those fear things, not having expectations, you know, allowing enough space. Actually, that's the last piece is giving yourself enough space, to discover and allow other things to happen. And come in, you know, somebody wants told me that a person had dinner with who heads up the culture for Google. She's also coaching, one of the things she said, that resonated with me is, and forgot what the exact numbers were, I want to say, you need to give her you know, you have 20 to 30% action, and the other 72% is in space, to live things to happen. So if you're scheduled back to back every day for the week, you not give yourself enough space to allow the magical things to come in that you can't expect. That could give you the step function, increases and opportunities, otherwise, you're going to follow a very linear trend, that so all this stuff function. growth happens in space, when you have space.

CK LIN 1:23:26
That's very wise what you said. But if you tell this to someone, a type personalities who have back to back because they feel like if I don't have that back back schedule, then I'm not being quote unquote, maximizing my productivity

RAVE MEHTA 1:23:42
So you're not optimizing production. That's true. If you know what your end production status, right, so if, you know, Okay, I gotta finish this thing at this point in time. And even within that, like, you can always make that product or that helping others that film or whether it's an album or something better. And more optimized, if you have space, you give yourself enough space. So productivity doesn't necessarily mean to fill in all your time, to maximize your time, which is what most people receive productivity, the way I define it, is to maximize your outcome. Right. And if your outcome product is way better, because you're giving yourself 30% of that time has just free space to not think about anything, or not do anything right relate to the project, you get a product out of it, you know, people measure, not how much time you spend on something they measure on what your outcome is, right? I was with the vice chairman of x in New York, and we're just chatting about a bunch of stuff. And this was working on Olympic stuff. And he invested in one of my friends projects. And one things that he said that really stuck with me, I go Oh, wow. So they just, you know, finished around, you know, the especially the next round. So that's great news. And he looks at it goes, that's fine. You don't seem too excited about it goes. I only care about results. Like really believe me, but I guess yeah, I mean, that's good that there is around whatnot. But in the end, I only measure things by the final result. Because other without I mean, doesn't matter how much they've done in between then. But yeah, as an investor, if they don't give me my money back whether X amount of return, then it's a failure. So I measure things by results. And then the more people I talked to, you know, it, you know, that, you know, at that level of office, you know, corporations, and especially the for profit business world, and even in the nonprofit world, they all thought the same way. You know, they're interested in results, you know, and all the other stuff or just details. So people measuring why whether final product or outcome is. So if you can optimize and you know, and mastery is master a master is someone who creates a greatest impact with the least amount of effort. Yeah, right. We focus on the end, you know, our schools are training people, not mastery, if they're training people, and what you just said, using trying to maximize your time, use, you know, work hard, and therefore, and then you're working with a master that when someone gets to a level of mastery, they work the least to have the most outcome.

CK LIN 1:26:46
So I share on that note, do you feel that that is when the master have achieved that because he or she spent massive amount of effort earlier, then it becomes more and more elegant. There's space and there's,

RAVE MEHTA 1:27:02
well, you got to spend, you definitely got one, you got to spend the time to learn the skills. So yeah, the problem is most people get stuck in that programming. And they never leave that once they've learned the skills, they don't realize, okay, I'm doing this because I don't want to spend all my time doing this. I'm doing this now. Because once I know it, it becomes easier. So just recognizing the facts and people, not everyone ends up being a master, they just end up being an operator. Right. And once again, the master is the one that figures out, okay, I can go from here to here and see myself way more time and have a way better output product. You know, with way less effort. So those that can achieve that those are the masters. Yeah. Like, like, even if looking at in martial arts. You know, you see a young guy that's jumping up and down and kicking and punching and all that stuff, the master standing in one place, barely moving. And then he only news when he needs to. So you conserves the most amount of energy, you know, but still has me, you know, expend the least amount of energy, right? Because he's conserving it, right. But he still has final outcome is he standing up the other ones on the ground? Right, right, with the least amount of effort. So. So somebody else I was at dinner recently with the maps organization, and one of the guys there cool, when the guys there was talking about the founder neural link, actually, and somebody wants companies, and he's a young guy, and he was talking about how nature is incredibly efficient with energy, it optimizes energy in this structure that contains it. So. So he said, you know, it's hard, there's no excess energy, because completely optimized within the space is being used. So it's all about the brain in that case, you know, so the brain, there's no excess energy to tap into, because the brain is completely utilize all the energy, the most efficient way within the amount of structure available to use it in. And that's how they show nature's nature's nature is to optimize efficiency within space. And if you look at cars, or any, you know, anything, you know, that we build, or that's in nature, like plants or biology, it's the same thing, there's only enough energy to that's optimize around the amount of space that's available to it. And so, and most of us focused on energy conservation. Yeah, so the space holds energy and it conserves it until it is expanded won't expend more energy than it needs to, you know, human mind does that. But nature and biology and it does it so. So once again, it's more around the same concept around mastery, you expend energy when you need to, and the less energy you spend for the same or better output. You know, the more skilled they are.

CK LIN 1:30:08
What are your communities? What kind of communities do you surround yourself with?

RAVE MEHTA 1:30:13
I have a lot of communities it's Yeah, manager and community around building infrastructure we've been nation building for 40 years, essentially. So a lot of extra just very professional people, you know, engineers. I talked about that. You had to like civil engineers, people that are building like infrastructure, you know, if you do it wrong, people die. Right. So, so they're very serious people, you know, a bridge collapses, you know, that's a public public works project. So yeah, you gotta take this stuff very seriously. So these are very sincere and very serious minded people and very intelligent and very sharp. So that's one community, and they've care, you know, these projects and other communities, technology community, you know, dear developing software things that, you know, that enable access and connection. crypto communities been super interesting. Last six, seven years, I've been involved with it, you know, range from serious sincere people to anarchist to you know, creatives to programmers, you know, so it's like a complete Bizarro universe, compared to traditional tech universe, you know, have, you know, investor community and being an investor, you know, involved with a lot of, you know, friends, a lot of other investors, or venture to private equity, to hedge funds to, you know, to even even foundations investing in nonprofit stuff. And, you know, part of the Bergen community given Bernie man last few years, right, yeah, that's been my fourth year this year, and only a fourth. Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm sick for four year 2012 to 2016. I was completely incapacitated Lyme disease. So shortly Captain capacitive and return in 2016. And that was my first burn.

CK LIN 1:32:05
I am glad you're back.

RAVE MEHTA 1:32:07
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. This all this stuff around flow. So it helped me got better. And without any meds? Yeah. So this is me hacking fear was my first stage of my life. The second stage was hacking flow, hacking live this case, your flow. And I'm still discovering communities, you know, the creative. You know, I've been in the music industry for a bit as well. So voting Grammy member sister was on the Grammy Board of Governors or trustees, whatever they call it. So that's been a community. Yeah. In a lot of different communities. You know, the World Economic Forum community. So So, tech community, my tester, that's right, the tech community use a lot of a lot of genius is, and

CK LIN 1:33:02
what's the through line? What do you think is the throughline?

RAVE MEHTA 1:33:06
interesting people that care about something, and usually the people that care about something that has it is the larger impact on society are the ones that resonate the most with something that helps integrate society into a more connected species, you know, infrastructure is connecting people through roads and bridges and things like that. Right. Technology is connecting people through, you know, wires and, and software. You know, Ted's connecting people through ideas, World Economic Forum's, you know, connecting people through policies, you know, creating policies that sir, you know, the planet, the species. So, yeah, I think that's, those are the types of people in communities that tenant brewers connecting people just through connection, just by releasing all the old, you know, it's the for nine days being in a space where, like, No, the other stuff matters, you could just be, you know, and enjoy each other and enjoy art, you know, music is connected people through music, you know, so through sound, which is powerful. Yeah, so that's, I think people that care about connection.

CK LIN 1:34:21
So if one look at your life, many decades from now, right, and say, Wow, Rave was quite a man. Quite a be infinite being, you know, he had quite a life. What would yourself say would be the kind of like the metrics, how you measure yourself to throughput? And you mentioned it earlier? like, if you put some words with it, like, what would you track? Because you do a lot of different things. Yeah, I mean, different domains.

RAVE MEHTA 1:34:54
my sister asked me one time, like, what would I want to be remembered guys? You know, fast, no longer here. And, you know, there's the external memory, what people remember you as and then the intimate memories that people remember? Yeah. So the external will be some of that created, you know, like Steve Jobs created, credible company that impact the lives of millions, if not billions. So you do want to create large companies that way, then I'll just give an example necessarily. And, you know, but then there's this internal to people that know them, like what did that so for me, it's like, I wanted to be the guy that people felt good around that made them smile. That's what I want to be remembered remembered as. And then what I want to leave behind for people that don't know me, those are people that have met me or do know me I want to be that person either made them spell laugh or just made them feel good, feel better, when they're around me with them whether or not to let down they'll be I'm gonna leave things that make them smile or feel better, like graphic novel, or my music, or my you know, music or my, you know, my books are things that help connect inspire people to really tap into what they what they really could access if they wanted to. And then just made them just make them feel good and hopeful and alive.

CK LIN 1:36:20
Thank you. It's a beautiful place to end. raise their vibration. Yeah,

RAVE MEHTA 1:36:25
yeah, things that raise people's vibrations.

CK LIN 1:36:27
So if someone wants to find out more about your 2019 passion project. one of many, where would they go and check out.

RAVE MEHTA 1:36:36
So http://www.pianosoundbath.com is one place. So the one thing I've been doing lately is been doing these piano sound bad experiences, or meditation experiences where all people lay down and I'll play the piano for an hour, just improvise. And, and while people are laying down, they could drop into this deep blissful meditative flow state called the flow to sound bats and, and in that spirit, when they're in that space, we've been getting all sorts of really interesting responses ranging from people having these blissful, psychedelic like experiences like dancing, crossing the universe, to people that having, you know, emotional releases, you know, even lot of times releasing emotional trauma that they've had in the past, I had a guy come to me said, I cried the whole time, I had no idea why materializing this realize release 15 years of trauma from his father passing away. And then this other third bucket is people actually having some physical pain or ailments that are relieved, or even completely gone. Yeah, I don't want to go ahead shoulder surgery that came in later and said, After three months is this after my shoulder surgery is the first time I've not felt pain in my shoulder, you know, and, and it just goes up from there. So. So there's all these interesting, like, perceptual, emotional, and physiological experiences that people have been having that I really want to go deeper into that because that's like me reaching one too many, by just being in my own flow, you know, playing the piano and expressing that through piano. So, so that would be what I direct people right now. I'm writing a book, my I'm writing my two books, hacking fear, and then chasing help, which is focused on fear and the flow.

CK LIN 1:38:19
Yeah. I want to read it.

RAVE MEHTA 1:38:21
Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait. I want to finish it. Yeah, can't wait. And then if you're interested in Nikola Tesla, there's also my graphic novel, the inventor of the story of Tesla. That was really exciting for me, because it really helped me get in the head of one of who I think is one of the greatest inventors and minds, you know, that lived in the last millennia, and, and really see the world from his eyes and try to put that into

CK LIN 1:38:51
You channel him

RAVE MEHTA 1:38:52
I channeled him and put that into that graphic novel, which is, you know, my opinion, great art combined with great storytelling. So yeah, I think those are the three things that I'd recommend people to and then anyone's interested in water blockchain. That's a company we're building right now. So that's more on the professional side.

CK LIN 1:39:18
Tell us more about that. What's that?

RAVE MEHTA 1:39:20
It's kind of called water leisure. And we're just trying to over trying to securitize water rights ownership and create access for people to invest in water that normally would never have access to. Now we feel like the idea is that we get more people to invest in water that we have access to it, then we have more people engaged in water. And then they're more people interested in protecting water. Yeah, because there's more of a public awareness around it. Otherwise, right now, 1% of the population controls water for 99% people, right? It's country in the 99%. People don't know what's happening to the water until they turn the tap on. And there's too much trust that's built into our systems without having a feedback loop. Public Interest, you know, it would never happen if there was a feedback loop of public engaging the 1%. That's managing the water for us. So all them one projects.

CK LIN 1:40:13
Yeah. You are a Beautiful, man.

RAVE MEHTA 1:40:15
Thank you.

CK LIN 1:40:17
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