180 Peggy Liu Mastering Energy: Spiritual Awakening and Business Success

[00:00:00] ck: Welcome to Noble Warrior. My name is CK Lin. This is where I interview founders, entrepreneurs, thought leaders about their journey to master themselves and have greater joy, prosperity, and purpose. My next guest is the chairperson of JUICE, an NGO that has been pivotal in China's Green Revolution since 2007.

She's the winner of the prestigious Hillary's Step Award. And she was recognized by Time Magazine as a hero of the environment. Peggy has played an instrumental role in catalyzing the nation's strides in clean energy, eco cities, and sustainable practice. Welcome to Noble Warrior, Peggy. Thank you for being here.

[00:00:42] Peggy: Hey, thank you very much for having

[00:00:44] ck: me. Thanks for being here from beautiful Hawaii.

[00:00:50] Peggy: I'm super excited to be here. This, this is the nation of Hawaii, by the way. I'm living a dream in a sacred land in Waimanalo, Oahu.

[00:00:59] ck: [00:01:00] So, well, I mean, since you mentioned that, let's go down that rabbit hole right away. Yes.

What does it take to create a life one's dreams?

[00:01:09] Peggy: Oh boy. I think to create a life of one's dreams is just about imagining it and feeling that you're already there. So in my practice, both spiritual and professional, it's all about creating the future, creating from the future that you want. So pretending like you're Willy Wonka creating a chocolate factory or James Cameron creating Avatar.

And so really, it's about weaving the threads, the details of a life that you want, but feeling into it. And I call this creating a sentimental memory of the future. So that's my

[00:01:47] ck: trick. Okay, so obviously we can unpack that further. Some people use vision boards, some people use affirmations to tap into that space.

Um, what are some of [00:02:00] the things that you do as a way to tap into that, you know, future fulfilled type space?

[00:02:05] Peggy: Yeah, I actually have a whole framework and a methodology of how to do this. So we,

[00:02:11] ck: I love frameworks.

[00:02:14] Peggy: I know you do, CK. Um, so mine is called tornado leadership. And the reason is because everything in reality is a tornado.

It's either creating. a creative tornado or it's destroying a destructive tornado. And so some people might be familiar with a Taurus or a toroid or a donut or a bagel, right? And so this concept of a flowing magnetic, electromagnetic multidimensional shape that's constantly turning in on itself. And from the middle of it, it creates this tornado and goes around.

And then goes up into the zero point again and around in an infinite loop, we're essentially creating realities at every moment. We're not necessarily [00:03:00] understanding that we are doing that. Some people feel like, oh, we're just living life where maybe a victim of life. Maybe we're just a small player in the environment, the society that we live in.

But in my practice. I believe that the reality that you live in is the choice that you have made to pick that particular reality. And in fact, you are the creator of an infinite number of realities. So what is a reality, right? That is the first key to creating the future you want to live in, is to understand, to be aware of what reality is.

So in my practice, a reality is simply a, let's call it a trillion energetic waves that add together. And each wave is like a detail that a sense might sense. So it might be the smell of the trees in the back. [00:04:00] The birds chirping. The feral chickens doing whatever noise that they do when they're running around when I'm taking a shower outdoors in the jungle.

I hear, actually I can hear rain often, the drizzle or the downpour of rain that is touching, the clouds touching the top of the mountains here, creating the rainfall every morning on the top of our ahupua'a is what we call it. The water flow, the whole system that surrounds the water flow. I can hear the rustling of the wind.

So all of these. Are energetic weights. Each one of them. It's like you're weaving a quilt or a high, uh, thread count bed sheet. Really fine luxury had high thread count and sheet with trillions of details. And so it's not enough in my [00:05:00] mind to create a vision board. It's not enough in my mind to do affirmations.

The trick is to create the details of living in a reality that is first person point of view. That is so compelling. It's more real almost than the reality that you are in now. And that's what happened to the protagonist, Jake, in Avatar, the movie, right? It was more real for him to be a blue, you know, figurine than being in a medical pod.

The second trick is to feel so excited about it. So filled with wonder, you're like Charlie getting that golden ticket to Charlie, the Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, right? Charlie and all the other kids were like, Whoa, this is amazing. Oh, my God. And they're running around like, you know, like tasting the lollipops and slurping for the chocolate rivers and everything that childlike curiosity.

sense of wonder is what drives [00:06:00] you forward. It creates the momentum for forward progress. It's the momentum for change, right? It's that build up of the into a climax. Of a beautiful, you know, Beethoven symphony, for example, right? So the trick for creating the future or the world or the reality that you live in is simply that.

It's really storytelling the way that the masters of movie do it, right? So, for example, Dune, I love the second, well, current version of Dune. Just beautiful music that really moves my heart, moves my emotions, and the costumes and the details, the, the pauses to the action. I mean, everything was threads in this high thread count reality, like I felt, I really felt in [00:07:00] many times, like I, I've also read all the books, but I really felt like I could step into that reality.

So I would say my practice and the practice that I teach my kids who are now 18 and 20 is to be able to be the best storyteller that they can possibly be. Maybe because a storyteller is somebody that uses imagination and uses emotion and then creates momentum around that reality. It's not a static reality.

They know how to move it flow. It's all flow, right? They can sense it. They can sense whether or not the flow is moving or if it's broken, if there's a block. And so that's really the practice that I would like to give the world with tornado leadership. That's one of the aspects of the framework. I

[00:07:52] ck: love that.

Let me, uh, let me double click on a couple of points that I heard. Um, well, number one, I believe that [00:08:00] our external reality is a reflection of internal reality. So the starting place is knowing what the future that you're creating with vivid details, as details as you can, that threat, a high threat count that you talked about.

And also have the, uh, sensibility, the perceptivity of what it actually feels like to be in that future that you're creating now. Is that an accurate reflection of what you said so far?

[00:08:28] Peggy: Yeah, it has to be first person point of view. So a lot of times people make the mistake. For example, I'm an environmentalist.

I've helped write a lot of white papers, a lot of scenarios, a lot of metrics, a lot of numbers that numb. The difference is being able to feel like you are in it. So it has to be first person point of view. It's not a descriptor like we want a sustainable life. We want an equitable life. We want inclusion, you know, all of those words are not first person point of view, nor are they very emotional.

They don't, they're not very heart [00:09:00] based. And so the trick that a lot of people miss is how do you describe, how do you become a movie director versus a, um, you know, white paper writer?

[00:09:14] ck: I think it was, uh, Quentin Tarantino when he, how he shoots his movies is he knows his characters really, really well. And then he knows the beginning and he knows the end and he allowed the The characters to co create whatever the movie plot is going to be to arrive from beginning to the end So that's you know a little reflection as you're speaking.

I

[00:09:36] Peggy: love that. I love that

[00:09:38] ck: I i'm gonna ask you a question before going to You know be that be a great storyteller be a great movie director and then you know Enroll others to join your movement and so on i'll click on that in a moment. How do you make sure that? This is not coming from a place of grasping, because grasping, as Buddhist, the Buddha [00:10:00] teaches us, grasping is a source of suffering.

So how do you hold a really strong vision, a very vivid vision, as if you are, you know, there already, and not, you know, grasp so much, be so attached, like, oh my god, my life, my reality right now is in that, and there is that gap, and there is the source of suffering.

[00:10:21] Peggy: So I think the difference is, Understanding that we are already in the middle of an infinite number of realities.

So, there is a law of availability that is available to us. Basically, we already have all, you know, people say we have all these now moments, right? They're already existing. So, the trick is to understand there's potential realities and kinetic realities. Right? So potential energy is like the snowball at the top of your mountain.

And then once you push it, it starts rolling. You have kinetic energy. [00:11:00] So the all that is nothing is really a lot of snowballs at the top of the mountain that you haven't yet pushed down the mountain. And then when you focus your intention, your thoughts and your feelings and your actions, then you start the snowball rolling.

But once you have in your heart the understanding that you have available all of these realities because they already exist, then there is no feeling of lack and then grasping

because it already exists. I can switch from one reality to another at any moment. It's just play. It's just following your excitement and your sense of wonder. And then you are You're free to choose. And there's just abundant play. There's no grasping because there is no lack.

[00:11:59] ck: [00:12:00] Got it. So have a deep belief that this is already happening.

There's concurrent parallel universes, realities, whatever you call this is already happening and have that faith. I believe that. You know, if I just continue on my path, this shall be, is that what I'm hearing?

[00:12:20] Peggy: Let me, let me, as you say, double click on that.

It's so funny. Like, you know, cause I moved to China in 2004. There's a lot of terms that. You know, I sort of missed that. I came back and people are using, like, it's been a minute or double click. And I'm like, what did they mean by that? Or shade, you know, like my kids who are much chipper than I are teaching me what these things meant.

So it's very funny. Anyway, so I don't. So I'm going to give a little bit nuance. Time is not a path necessarily. The way that I view it is A [00:13:00] card deck of moments and there's an infinite sized card deck. So an infinite number of moments that you are already in the card deck already exists. You're not like producing the card deck as you go.

It already exists. Every single card already exists. And you can change from one card to another at any moment. Now, some of these cards look a little bit more similar to another, and so it looks like one timeline, right? And some of them have, they have probability weights based on your belief system, your self limiting beliefs, mostly, but based on, um, your actions, the momentum of the actions that you are taking.

There's higher probability. That you are going to delete from this card to another card, but if you understand, if you have an awareness of how reality works, you can actually shift from one card to another quite rapidly. So I [00:14:00] think the key to jumping from one to another is just simply. Knowing, not, not believing, not wishing, but knowing you are an infinite being, that everything exists.

The other thing that I'm going to sort of take a side note, I'm going to double click even further, is the way that I'd like to describe time and yourself is, is that the moment that you choose to be in now, the card that you choose to be in now is a present. Okay, a present moment that actually has attached to it bags like a backpack.

a different past and a different future. Okay. So what that means is when I choose to be a different Peggy or CK, I choose a different frequency, meaning a different tight [00:15:00] thread count, you know, set of energy waves. I choose a specific frequency of a sentimental memory of a now moment. That moment has a different past and a different future.

This is a little bit, you need to like rewind and listen to that three times, but because of that, the future now Peggy that I choose might have a completely different past. I've rewritten my past. Mm. And this be a traumatic past, right? It may be one that I don't want or one that I just, you know, wanted to take a different path.

I had a life choice that I didn't take and I want to go back and I want to pursue a different life path. But this is a little bit mind boggling for people when they first start to see things, at least the way that I'm describing it. Not everybody has to prescribe to this, but if they do fall into this sort of way of seeing the world, Um, then this is a, probably one of the most [00:16:00] important lessons is to understand your relationship with time that you can write your memories and you can write time and actually science is proving this now that like everything is malleable where your memory is set, right?

They, they're constantly changing. So that was a triple click CK.

[00:16:19] ck: No, I love it. Keep at it. Let's go quadruple and and topple all, all, all that's fun stuff. Cheers to that. So the way I'm reconciling this in my mind is this, because we do talk about mindset a lot. The way I describe it is, you know, our reality is based on the worldview that we have.

So what was perhaps once traumatic, quote unquote, a negative event, quote unquote, I can have, let's say, a epiphany moment, an ayahuasca journey, meditation event, whatever the thing that allowed me to see a different point of view, and now that traumatic event is now a gift. That's the way I'm [00:17:00] interpreting that right now.

And so therefore, the reality that I once had, I thought, Oh man, this thing happened, so and so dies, so and so stole money from me, whatever the thing is. And now I can look at it truly as a gift. Like, wow, what a teacher, what a gift. That's the way I'm interpreting what you're saying.

[00:17:19] Peggy: Yeah, I mean, there's again, everything that I say, there's like multiple layers of nuance.

So one way to view it is, for example, I'll use the story of my mother growing up. She was really hard on me. You know, I think we have similar backgrounds. Um, my parents went from mainland China to Taiwan. So I think you're from Taiwan and they were. Like, um, there were, there were refugees of war, if you really want to call it.

They, they don't use that words, but, but actually they were right. They ran away from mainland China to Taiwan. And then there were immigrants in complete poverty to the U S and then she had me, they didn't even have insurance. So it was a really tough labor. [00:18:00] So when. When I view the way she treated me, honestly, now looking back, I have, I view her with compassion and that changed everything.

You know, I really tried to view it from her point of view. Like, how is it that she was emotionally dealing as best as she could? With her environment and that compassion changed my memory, you know, re reality is relative. So some people say, oh, well, that didn't change reality. She really still treated you, you know, hard, whatever, but actually reality is relative.

And so that's one way to double click. Um, I mean, gosh, there's so many double clicks, triple clicks, quadruple clicks on, on memories and time. Another one is like, let's say this podcast. Um, there's a, there's a woman in Norway that once listened to me on a [00:19:00] podcast and she said that she felt in her body somatically like an activation and it sort of triggered something in her.

And some people might say, Oh, it is weird her. I'm going to say that it was more than that inspired. Inspired her that's that's like a superficial way to look at it another if you double click on it Basically, it activated a remembering of herself that was already there and the frequency in my voice catalyzed, it opened that like a key.

It's like a portal that she went through to view herself, a remembering, right? And so the voice, even as I'm speaking, [00:20:00] as you're speaking, carries frequencies that are keys. Some people call them. Wisdom codes like codes. So oftentimes, because I'm an energetic healer, oftentimes when I work with clients, they, they are getting information in the voice that they cannot rationally process at the moment that they're listening to me or taking notes.

So I always tell people to listen to a recording of my session with them at least three times because they're getting codes That will transmit into their cells and process at the pace that they need to integrate in order to fully become the potential of who they truly are, that is, remembering who you are.

[00:20:59] ck: Oprah has a [00:21:00] really interesting take on a similar thing as one of those viral clips. She mentioned, I forgot who it was, you know, when you get the aha moments. Often it's not the content. It's not something that you get like, oh, aha, you know, it's more of a Oh, it makes so much sense and unlock certain things like oh, it's a remembrance of the truth that we deeply felt Inside of us.

So I really appreciate the way you said it

[00:21:27] Peggy: Yeah, I would say like if we were to double double click Wait, is it quadruple now? Okay, let's quadruple click. Let's

[00:21:33] ck: keep going, yeah, sure.

[00:21:37] Peggy: So, if you think of yourself as coming into this earth with a soul contract, and you've actually pre programmed yourself with a lesson that you want to learn.

And then in this experience, this particular story, you have free will to make certain choices. You, yourself, your higher self, are leaving a bunch of, um, what do you call them? Easter eggs. In your [00:22:00] program, right? And there's signals or serendipity or numbers or, you know, whatever. Right. And you may choose. To listen to that signal and act on it or be completely oblivious to it because you were so in your mind.

You weren't in your senses, your being, your cells, your antennae in your cells is not fully activated. And so I forget what I was listening to. Uh, a stroke of insight. My friend told me about a book called A Stroke of Insight that said our cells can receive trillions of energetic frequencies per second.

So really what you're to really fully appreciate the signals that your higher self, the Easter eggs that your higher self have left for you as, as little, uh, you know, signposts along your journey. [00:23:00] You have to use your cells To really feel the trillions of information pathways that are being sent to your cells per second.

The energetic frequencies that are being sent. Because your cells, your DNA, And so the practice that I am in is simply to raise up my antennae to activate them and to pay attention to what the antennae receives and then to process it. Where I think the world right now where a lot of people say we're as polarized as you ever could remember is because we're not really listening to the nuance.

of what our antennae are receiving. Instead, we try to bucket with our mind everything into good or bad. When in actuality, there is no right or wrong, good or bad. There's only energy that is aligned with you or misaligned [00:24:00] with you. Everything has a right to exist and must exist for all that is and nothing to be all that is.

So, everything, we, we should be grateful for its existence, but it may not be aligned to us. So that's nuance. That's a discernment.

[00:24:19] ck: I appreciate that. Um, let me quote Shakespeare a little bit. So he said, there's no, nothing intrinsically good or bad, only so, translating to your language, only your, you know, your internal antennas alignment, whether or not it's aligning to you or not.

That's kind of I think you're going to read

[00:24:39] Peggy: me I thought you were going to read me a sonnet.

[00:24:45] ck: I don't know the whole thing. I just, uh, I just know the quotes here and there. That's all it comes to mind. That's it. Yeah. I'm not Bradford. Bradford can probably give you a sonnet.

[00:24:57] Peggy: Bradford Richardson. Hey Jack.

Okay. Yeah. All [00:25:00] right.

[00:25:01] ck: Uh, okay. So let me ask you a question. Let's say I love what you're saying. And right now my sensitivity, my perceptivity is. Still quite limited, right? And I, I am practicing discernment, perceptivity, sensitivity, so that I can go deeper and really fine tune the nuance of, Oh, what's going on with my body?

It doesn't quite feel right. I, let me, let me, let me, let me sit with it for a bit and then have finer and finer, um, discernment, a higher and higher fidelity, right? Are there things that you practice as a way to enhance? The fidelity, the, the resolution, the refinement, whatever were you used to heighten this, this discernment that you talked about?

[00:25:53] Peggy: Yeah. Um, well, you know that I have practiced since 1989, a particular Qigong lineage called [00:26:00] South Shaolin Inner Energy One Finger Zen Qigong practice and South Shaolin Temple. Well, Shaolin Temple, generally all of the martial arts. came from the Shaolin Temple. This particular lineage was actually practiced in secret.

So even other Shaolin Temple monks weren't necessarily allowed to practice this. And it's not the chi that is used for fighting or like, uh, you know, offense, right? I use it for healing or that's, this is how I was taught and this is what I focus on. And a very simple exercise that I take people through and I have taught kids as young Eight years old.

Kids as young as two can feel it. Um, you know, on up. So, this force, like Star Wars Jedi Force, is literally, it was inspired by this particular lineage, I believe. You can feel it. [00:27:00] Anybody can feel it. So you can just start by doing this, like as if you're holding an orb. Right? I'm trying to get this in the middle of your screen here.

Right. And, and I do it where I, I let people feel somebody else's energy as well. So somebody can, I'm trying to move my hand here. Somebody can put their hand on top and somebody can put their hand on bottom. Now, posture is very important. So how, you know, ideally I'm there and I nudge every single bit of your posture because then you can feel it more.

Every single person. that is able to do this workshop with me. Usually I lead a two hour workshop, but honestly it doesn't, some people feel it instantaneously. Every single person can develop the feeling if they, if they just literally just do this. So we are an electromagnetic etheric field. Let's just, let's just call it electromagnetic field.[00:28:00]

So what is electricity feel like? It feels like static, right? So some people's hair will stand up. If you had hair on your arm or the back of your neck, right? Some people will feel tingling. Some people will feel pulsation on their fingertips. It's magnetic. So people will feel this like push and pull.

They'll feel like a movement, you know, when you have magnetic toys and you make it move and it starts to go on its own, right? That movement. Everybody is made up of this field, right? In fact, we are of one field, all of reality, all of time, all of matter, all of thoughts, all of emotion is just one electromagnetic.

And I'm going to add the word etheric field that has different spots of more magnetism or less magnetic [00:29:00] permeability. And so what happens is your thoughts are an energy burst, an impulse, your emotions. Right? Or a huge electromagnetic wave, your actions force, right? Is another wave. And so what happens is you then create these like, let's call them tornadoes, or whirlpools, whatever, that suck in all things that are aligned with that particular movement, the angular momentum of that tornado.

So it's like, uh, if you look at a tornado spinning on the, you know, horizon, if you go next to it, if you are completely misaligned, you will be fearful of it. So you will run away in the opposite direction and go into the basement. If you are curious about it, you might go towards it. But if you're not perfectly aligned with it, you will spin off.

If you get too close to it, you'll [00:30:00] just be thrown off. Right? But if you are aligned with it, then you go in. And not only do you go in, but you and every other cow and house and wicked witch on a bike and whatever, Superman's dad, et cetera, dogs, they all go at the same speed and the same momentum as the momentum builds angular momentum.

This is very similar to bikes drafting. Right? With actually the fifth bike in a line actually works the least hard, but all of you together are going faster. And so this compound effect is actually what we're here meant to be here to learn together in this, you know, earth playground experiment that we're in.

So a lot of the sensitivity that you can start to feel then can be applied to elevating collaboration in groups. And this is. The key to why I've been successful in helping China go [00:31:00] green as fast as I have each of these seven changes only took three years because I felt into this momentum and this alignment and felt where there's flow or blocks to flow.

And so this, this, it all starts here. It all starts here. So,

[00:31:20] ck: before we go into the direction of business, I love that, by the way, and this is actually one of the reasons why I love talking to business leaders, entrepreneurs, because it's not just about, in my opinion, it's not just about, hey, let me just do the work as a monk in a cave, you know, on the mountaintop somewhere and to go to be self transcendent by myself.

But what I'm interested in is, okay, do those things and make changes in the world so that greater the macro environment could be better. So, before we go there, let me ask you a quick question. One of the things that I use, as you know, is plant medicine, and for the [00:32:00] way I practice it, I see them as amplifiers of my consciousness.

And I can be a little bit more attuned, a little bit more sensitive to what's going on inside the body, inside my mind, as well as the outside world, right? Whether it's ayahuasca, psilocybin, whatever the thing is, right? So that's very useful for me. Because for me, I need something that's really obvious.

That's why I like ayahuasca. It's very obvious versus the subtleties of like, did you feel that? Maybe, maybe not. So, is there any tools that you can share that to help people who don't have the sensitivity that perhaps you have to so that they can, you know, up their sensitivity a little bit and use that as a, as a, I don't say crutch, but as a, as a steps enhancer.

Along the way,

[00:32:55] Peggy: I'm going to first say that it is a myth that some people are sensitive [00:33:00] and some people aren't. I do believe that a third of the population are highly sensitive like me, but everybody is made out of this energy and therefore they are sensitive to it. But we have, at least since four years old, been trained to be in our mind to be robots.

Our whole education system is a factory education system, right? And to will our way through pain versus feeling into it or learning how to transmute it and to use it to sort of like slingshot off of. And so, first I'm going to say everybody can learn how to be sensitive. Again. That is the key. Again. If you want.

Then, I will say that my practice further, what happens is once you start to do certain things [00:34:00] Um, generally speaking, depending on how sensitive you are and how diligent you are in doing this practice, I can give you one pose that you do for 15 minutes, building up to an hour. Most people before six months mark will start to build up this energy in your battery like you're rejuvenating your energy.

You are more. You're revitalized. It's like drinking coffee without the buzz, the bad buzz. And then what happens is you get an overflow of this and your body wants to move. And if you don't resist that movement by trying to stand still in this one stance, your body will naturally start to move.

Autonomous movement. And that's how you get like snake movement, crane movement, dragon movement, etc. I happen [00:35:00] to Uh, do a lot of snake movement. Uh, my friend Angela, my chief sister, does monkey style. But, so what happens is, entropy, I think everybody learns in physics, right, that entropy is, like, change is the only constant, right, everything is an entropy expansion.

Because everything is constantly being created, we're telling new stories, so that we can learn about ourselves through these stories. So the trick is not to resist the change. Not to resist the movement and then what happens is your body actually moves So some people when I heal them even through zoom will start to shake, right?

I can't remember if you moved were you moving when I when we did it or I remember you're something about your teeth But like remember at that there was this [00:36:00] one guy there at that party Like he was just like he was he was just moving all over the place, right? So some people will Release energy through burping, coughing, farting, crying, yawning, right?

Some people will be like this. Some people like, you know, jerk or whatever because they're not used to the movement. Necessarily, but then it becomes smoother and smoother and smoother. And then you start to like, it's, it's very tangible is what I'm trying to, to say. To answer your question, like I have hundreds of videos by now of people moving even on Zoom when I heal them, send energy, and I'm just gonna put up my hands right now.

So if anybody wants to try putting up their hands to my hands. and just experiment, you know, they will be able to, to feel the energy.

So [00:37:00] it's not an on off switch as much as a buildup, like a defibrillator that builds up. But so your question about for people who don't feel it tangibly, the truth is, is that like everybody can feel it tangibly.

Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of people. talk about meditation.

There's a gazillion meditations. One thing that you might want to do is feel into your heartbeat.

So be really quiet

and I can feel into my heartbeat.

Sorry, I'm going into automatic movements. Um, so then what you do is you feel into the space between the heartbeats.

Because a [00:38:00] lot of people are into the visuals, right? I think it's like what, 83 percent of our senses are overwhelmed by our visuals. So sometimes it helps to close your eyes when you do this just to remove that. But, um, because we're so used to dopamine hits. We're used to the beat, but not the space between.

So I would say start there.

[00:38:30] ck: Beautiful. Thank you. Appreciate it. I mean, part of my desire these days is how do I go even deeper? Yeah. Share some postures, some movements, some practices that I can practice to go even deeper. Let me

[00:38:47] Peggy: share something with you. Hold on one second. Let me try to do something with you, okay? Okay, by the way, never mind.

I'm sorry about the lighting. I look terrible because you are doing just fine. [00:39:00] It's too bright back there, but I wanted to share the, you know, Hawaii sky. Okay, so is there something that we can gift CK right now? Okay, I'm pointing at your third eye,

activating.

Sending energy to you.

And one of the messages I would give you is something that my Chi master yells at us all the time is no mind, no mind. Stop thinking, stop thinking frameworks, especially frameworks are limiting. Numbers are limiting. Actually, they box you in their prisons of energy. There are prisons of [00:40:00] potential reality.

True reality is more wondrous than we can ever imagine. You know, there's not just the rules in our reality. Our logos, but there's so many different types of realities with different rules, and it would boggle our mind, but once we apply a framework to it, we limit ourselves. So you are using it as steps in the spiral to go, quote unquote, upwards.

When in fact, All you need to do is remember you are already there.

That's just because I know you a little bit. That would be my personal advice. And I'm just activating your third eye.

[00:40:52] ck: Thank you for that. You're welcome. The difference between striving, seeking, [00:41:00] to knowing, to creating. And what I got from you is, Hey, I'm already here. I know exactly what I need to do. There's no more striving. There's no, like, out there. I am thirsty. Let me go get a glass of water. It's as simple as that.

That's what I got. It's just, what

[00:41:19] Peggy: is it that you would like to experience right now? And choose. And then follow your curiosity and wonder. Because you already have it within you. You don't need to build it or, or like, grasp it, right? And then what happens is, when you, um, are able to feel the senses, the creative energy actually comes from the root in the sacral, the sexual energy.

Sexual energy is like, you know, It's much bigger than sex. It's, it's about creativity. And so to be able to feel that activation in those areas, in the pelvic region [00:42:00] will also help you, right? So rather than resist or constrain or, um, Think of sexual energy in a very 3D way, limited way, think of it more as creation itself, it's birthing reality.

[00:42:24] ck: So I'm curious, Peggy, um, you're in obviously in the business world and a really high level and you use this very liberally in your teachings, in your engagements. I've seen you, you know, at high level parties and that's, that's what, that's who you are and it's great. So I'm curious, what kind of people resonate with your framework, with your, with your ideas?

[00:42:50] Peggy: Well, what I always try to do is let people feel the chi first. And then almost everybody is like, whoa, [00:43:00] what is that? I've never felt that before. I cannot explain it with my mind. I've never been told it exists. So with little kids, I'm like, Hey, do you want to learn how to be a Jedi? Like I use different language, right?

But, um, at the Rockefeller center, Bellagio, we were at a 30, very high level women conference. And one of the things that we ran into is we were not able to collaborate. Everybody had their own opinion from their years of experience and success. And the energies were not aligned. And so they actually asked me the second day to come in and do a Chi circle.

So I put everybody in a circle or a circuit, electromagnetic circuit, and let everybody feel the energy flowing between us and the differences between left and right. And so I would say everybody already is this. So yes, they're already aligned to the fact that we are energy. They just need somebody [00:44:00] to show them.

And sometimes it's helpful for somebody with a resume that's, you know. Maybe, uh, credible in the 3D world to show it to them versus somebody who's like, I don't know, like not in their normal, what do you want to call it? Like frame of mind, right? And so it's helpful for somebody like me who has been successful over and over and over again.

And somebody who's as old as I am as an elder to come and say, this works for me because they see it's possible. And for me in my practice every day, when I'm growing and developing my skills, a lot of it is somebody told me it was possible and then I try it. And then I realized, Oh, I can do it too, [00:45:00] but I didn't necessarily have the imagination by myself to try it.

So I'm talking about a lot of things that you would not be able to read in books. Like what I just did with you, right, is send you energy through a screen, right, to activate your third eye. Most people don't know what the hell that means. Right. And, and they're like, what are you doing? But I can tell you there was a senior executive in the automotive industry in Detroit.

That is one of my clients. And last week I did the same thing. And now she is a sensitive and we're reawakening her abilities basically that she already has. But she started to feel heat as if there was a warm fire in front of her. Like, you know, when you're like toasting marshmallows or you're cold and you're putting your hands there.

She literally felt that hot. So it takes a few minutes, like it's again, it's not an on off switch. I need to like build up like a [00:46:00] defibrillator. Warmth in your hands and pulsations here is very common, right? Not everybody manifests the same because everybody's energy is different. But once I tell you it's possible, And I show you or somebody sitting next to you that you also respect and they get into it, then you're like, Hey, I want to try it.

Right? So I often do this at, for example, world economic forum or the economist summits or very high level stages. And I do this on purpose. In full view of people, so that the behavior becomes normalized. And so the second time somebody sees me heal them, or somebody, they're like, oh yeah, she says we can keep talking.

And they, like, have an informal chat right next to me. Like, it totally nonplussed about what I'm doing here, because it's now normal. part of reality for them. [00:47:00] So my goal is really just to show people that they are much more than who they think they are. And a lot of those superhero powers that you see in whatever X Men or Marvel actually are very, you know, realistic because somebody told you it was a superhero and only that superhero can do it versus everybody can tap into it.

Everybody can play the piano, as they say, but not everybody can be, you know, Chopin or Beethoven, but everybody can play, everybody can learn to play. The piano was there.

[00:47:37] ck: It's just a matter of dedicated practices to really familiarize ourselves with, I mean, I'm trained as an engineer, so I look at the world through the lens of skill acquisition.

[00:47:50] Peggy: By the way, I'm an engineer too. So, I'm trained at MIT as an electrical engineer and computer science major. You know, I went to [00:48:00] McKinsey, was very in my head, did management consulting. I was a venture capital, you know, early stage investor in China. I totally understand where you're coming from. Right. And we had this talk before, I think like the key is to integrate both your senses and your mind.

But when your mind is too strong, then it becomes a prison for the sense.

[00:48:29] ck: Okay. And let's talk, let's actually go down that rabbit for, for rabbit hole for a bit.

[00:48:35] Peggy: Double

[00:48:35] ck: click. CK. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm, I'm letting you use that term, you know, as many times as you want. Awesome. Yeah, you love it. Great. So somebody who is really in their mind and they hear this, they want to open their mind.

They want to open their senses and you share some of the practices, some basic, you know, the first step, [00:49:00] the next step to do. Are there other ways or are there other readings, schools of thoughts, you know, retreats, practices that they can, you know, sort of look at the roadmap as they practice the basic steps that you just share?

[00:49:17] Peggy: Yeah, I mean, there's so many resources out there. It really depends on where you are at its stage of remembering yourself Right. So if I say the law of one or something that is going to be inaccessible for most people, right? But if I say Bashar That's

[00:49:34] ck: practical. I'm a fan of Bashar actually. Cause that's super practical.

He's a master teacher. Like he's such a good teacher

[00:49:42] Peggy: Yeah, so I would say, um, it really just depends. Some people just music. Right. And it also depends on where your sensitivities are coming in from. Um, my friend, Fernando Garibay, that I have the pleasure of working with, uh, is, [00:50:00] was the executive producer for Lady Gaga's Born This Way and, you know, Whitney Houston's last song and et cetera, et cetera, he is so sensitive that he can see a color and hear a sound.

So for him, he uses music as a way to help people. I'm going to use this word, he doesn't necessarily use this word, but transmute their trauma into something positive, into a creation of a work of art, music. And that can touch millions of people on airwaves. And I guess, so, so it, it, it depends on where you are at.

If you are listening to this podcast right now, your higher self already planted this as a signpost for you to listen to. There is no accident. When people meet me, there is a reason why they're meeting me [00:51:00] and they choose. To listen to it and be present and, and really intentionally take as much information out of that as they can, or it will sit there dormant until they're ready.

And they'll be like, wait, didn't I hear something in some podcast, some Hawaiian background that was poorly lit, you know, like, Oh

yeah, let me re read, let me re listen to that because there's something there for me. Right. So it really just depends on you. I, you know, I'm fairly obviously advanced. So I like, for example, Rebecca Dawson and she channels like ascended masters. And she's talking about the new human where the chakras are actually disappearing because you don't need them anymore because we're actually much more nuanced certain spots.

Like they're obviously there's not just [00:52:00] 144 chakras in our body. I mean, come on. Right. Um, So some people might be like, what is channeling? Right. Uh, but I think it's important to tell people what's possible. So for example, I was just writing down this list of abilities for, you know, my clients so that I can say, well, here's some of the things that might be activated in you when you work with me.

Right. So the third eye, some people might not understand what the third eye is. But it's the ability to, let's say, receive images, let's call it, of something that feels real. It's basically a signpost, or it's a message from the cloud database in the sky. There is a cloud database in the sky that has all the data of all the realities.

And so when people say that they're [00:53:00] channeling or they're receiving messages or they're clairvoyant, I like to call it putting my Ethernet cable plugging into the cloud database in the sky. You would like that, right?

[00:53:08] ck: That's very practical. I like it a lot, actually.

[00:53:13] Peggy: That's awesome. Yeah, engineer. Yeah, exactly.

So you've got, you got, got you right there. Yeah. . So, you know, for me, like the IC records isn't language that I use, but some people use it like, I like the cloud database on the sky. Um, so you know. Um, I, I talk about the, how do you change your time, your past, literally by revisiting that, but rewriting a different result.

It's like you went to dinner theater, interactive dinner theater, and you chose a different path, a different storyline, right? Um, some people can, um, you know, [00:54:00] there's, there's somebody, actually a few people there, they were very eager to learn this. But they're now able to, without touching me, with Qi, push me so that I'm either jumping back or my body's twisting around, doing, you know, almost somersaults, if you will.

One person can do it over zoom, right? Some people call that telekinesis. I think I call it Chi, you know, Chi practice It's basically you if you understand you're an energy battery Then you can inject it like I was doing to you and you can focus it like a laser beam some people can talk to objects like I talk to crystals and You know energetic objects and I can activate their energy I can like move them up, right?

So this is, for example, a crystal that I've been [00:55:00] holding here, right? And it's very active, right? And so there's all this information in this crystal. And a lot of people are like, what the heck am I talking about? But there's a lot of information embedded in this crystal. But the key is how do you connect to it?

And so one woman taught me that channeling, right, which is connecting to somebody else's consciousness, even a stone. Even the sky, the weather, um, even an island that is an energy vortex or water or a person, um, or somebody in a different dimension, it's, it's simply just dropping into the frequency that that.

Entity or energy is in, right? So it's a little bit like when you do method acting. I know both of us are great actors. But we know what method acting is, right? You dress, like Meryl Streep talks about how she, when she dresses [00:56:00] differently and she changes her accent, she just drops into a different, she doesn't use this word, but a frequency.

She becomes a completely different person. So when you realize that we're all part of this cloud database in the sky, and every bit of that database is a different frequency, there's an infinite number of unique frequencies. All you're doing to connect to one part of the database or another is tapping into the frequency.

Some people might call that empathy, being social, right, where you're connecting or being present. There's all sorts of ways to use this, right? And all of them are valid. All sorts of ways to describe it. All of them are valid, but some of them have more nuance and layers of discernment in them.

[00:56:51] ck: So what I'm hearing you say, going back to the original question, those that are curious, those are, you know, want to pull on the thread of [00:57:00] curiosity.

That's actually one of the reasons why I started the podcast in the first place. Cause I wanted to show people what's possible and by interviewing people who are, uh, I call them householders, right? People who live a normal life, they're not in a monk, in, in a cave somewhere and, and just meditate all day.

They have a family life, they have a business life and they're into these type of development. It's very new and it was so, so that we can have these very nuanced conversations on what's possible when you practice these things and bring that into your life. That's the reason why I do this. So thanks for highlighting that.

[00:57:37] Peggy: Yeah. There's so much. You know, I have a vast network, like you do, of people who are sensitives. And what, one of the things that I want to do is make it safe for people to say that they are a sensitive and they have these gifts. And so because I'm of an age and of a stature that, honestly, I don't really give a shit if people think I'm weird or crazy.

Like [00:58:00] I just tell people like I and I show people I'm not like just saying it I'm actually doing it and it's tangible and it's visible But you know, for example, you can heal people with this chi without touching them I regularly take out back pain or you know, neck pain or emotional trauma you can Heal earth you can heal humanity right just through this field if you understand How it works, right?

Um, you can definitely tap into, uh, uh, what is currently the highest probability quote unquote future moment, right? I call it divining, right? Some people call it, I know, uh, uh, precognition. Right? That's definitely a thing, right? As long as you were add the word probability, highest probability, right? What has the highest probability or the [00:59:00] greatest momentum timeline?

Um, you can definitely have a clear cognizance, which is just a sense of knowing, right? Because you're able to tap into that cloud database in the sky. Again, knowing of something that has the greatest momentum at this moment in this particular timeline. Caveat. So, um, I told you about some people who can see colors and hear sounds, right?

All of the, some people can speak to animals. I know many people who can literally speak to animals. Um, I know one Maori man in New Zealand that was telling me a little bit about how he changed weather, weather fronts. So, um, yeah. And of course, many people, like Indians, Native Indians, right, have rain dances, etc.

So this is nothing new, it's just that I happened to experience it in [01:00:00] real life. You know, it's like, oh my god, it's raining terribly here, and we're in the middle of, the beginning of this conference, can you remove the rain? You know, and it's like, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, you know? And then all of a sudden I was able to take off my down coat, go out in the sun with, you know, a tank top.

It was amazing. So once, once you see this and you're open to it and you approach it with a sense of curiosity and wonder versus skepticism, you, you will begin to notice. A lot more possibilities than we ever learned in school.

[01:00:44] ck: One of the things that I'm in this group about a lot, follows your discipline, whatever discipline that is, pay attention to the happy accidents. In other words, the synchronicities, the serendipities, just pay attention. And one of the things that I [01:01:00] concretely feel personally is whenever I'm dedicated to a certain discipline.

Whatever stuckness that I feel disappears and I just get energized. It may not look like the outcome that I seek exactly, but nonetheless, momentum is generated. Energy is generated just by following very simple systems.

[01:01:23] Peggy: Yeah, I think that the word that you said, I want to double click on triple click, quadruple click is momentum.

We've said it all along already, but people don't understand the importance of momentum in creating your reality. So that's the stage of my tornado leadership. The first stage is creating from the future, not the past. Uh, we talked a little bit about how to do that. The second stage is really momentum over metrics.

So a lot of people take a snapshot of, let's say how China is doing on the greening of China, right? And they do a lot of statistics, but they missed. Understanding the [01:02:00] trajectory that China is on in the momentum that it has built, how fast it has gone green at what scale it has gone green. They missed that.

And so individually, I remember it was in seventh grade English class, I had this personal little tit for tat debate with this guy who was like, you know, Uh, you don't need to do anything, you know, you can be aimless, you don't need goals in life, just like chill and enjoy, right? And I'm here like a Chinese kid, and I'm like, what is he saying?

I know this to not be true, right? Intention, if you have envisioned a storyline for you, the future for you, then you can move towards it. You're creating. We are meant to be creators. We are creators with a capital C where we are the creator with a capital C. That is [01:03:00] our whole job. We only have two jobs in this life.

One is to create, right? So we can learn about ourselves. Two is to remember who you are. We are already covered that. But what is creation, if not momentum, creating momentum towards a vision, right? The vision can change. You love Bashar. He says, look, be live at your highest level of excitement at every moment, right?

And towards a particular. Vision of your life, but then the hardest part is being able to not be attached to that vision because it can the actual Result can be so much greater than your puny little imagination in your brain can manage to eek out so I You know double triple quadruple click on Bashar

[01:03:56] ck: There a fourth step Before we go into [01:04:00] the, um, sort of the organizational movement making and

[01:04:03] Peggy: everything.

So the first step, just to recap, is create from the future, not the past. The second step is momentum over metrics. To sense it and tips for how to build it, right? And then the third step is really resonance. Orchestrate resonance. Which is balance, flow, and alignment of energies. So this is all about collaboration.

It's all about the drafting effect. So if you're not, if you're biking and drafting and you're not in alignment, then you're not drafting. If you're not moving and flowing, you're not actually pedaling, you're not in flow. If you're, if you're not balanced, then like, obviously you're not going to be biking for very long.

Right? So that's a very simple, flat analogy, but orchestrating resonance is actually what the greatest leaders are doing. They may not call it that, but it's group resonance so that you [01:05:00] are creating this golden mean spiral, this tornado, upward spiral, creative spiral. And so learn from the great. Musicians or, you know, Beethoven and conductors and then apply that to leadership.

So the greatest leaderships, uh, leaders, CEOs are not chief executive officers that run a company by success metrics or KPIs. They're chief resonance officers.

I have a whole like HR chart and I redid all the titles for, you know, chief marketing officer, chief strategy officer, et cetera, to like, if you really live the tornado leadership way of being, then you change, you shift the roles of everybody in your organization as well.

[01:05:59] ck: So in terms of [01:06:00] who you are, Peggy, I'm curious, you know, I'm in this group with different sphere of influence.

That's probably the easiest way to think about it. There's the self, there's the family, then there's the organization, community, society, humanity as a whole, right? That's, you know, for you, as giving all your gifts, giving all the capabilities you've cultivated over the years, as a business person, as a healer, how malleable do you hold these identities?

And then how do you, because you can do all kinds of things at all kinds of levels, individually, organization, society as a whole. How do you navigate the creativity, the intuition, and that's pulling you in a lot of different directions? You know what I mean?

[01:06:51] Peggy: Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of tornadoes that I launch all over the world.

So I have a lot of projects going on at all times. What I [01:07:00] find is, is that when I was younger, I would be completely mined. I would be very, very strong in my mind. I was like aimed as a samurai to be a CEO. And I was a CEO as 27 by my dad. And I started one of the earliest e commerce companies in Silicon Valley.

But, but now what I realize is to be able to do the work that I really need to do at the scale that I need to do it at. Which is ultimately to awaken humanity. That's a pretty big, you know, lofty goal. I need to actually integrate. I need to be in alignment within myself. So it's like some people say left brain, right brain is like mind and spirit.

And I, I need to be authentically me. Can't just be part me, right? And so when people said [01:08:00] to me, this Maori elder who changes weather, I was like, how do you learn how to change weather? And so he's like, you have to remember who you are. I had no idea what he was saying at the time, literally. And he doesn't speak much, right?

So I'm like, I literally have no idea what you are saying. But he gave me so many clues in very few words that I later was able to dissect it or double click, triple click, quadruple click into, but remembering who you are is how you become your authentic you. And that is, I like to use the analogy of bird song.

So I like cockatiels cause I used to have one. If you're a cockatiel, But because you're Chinese, you were told to be a parakeet, right? You're in China. You might be told you have to pass the golf call, right? You have to go to Tsinghua, uh, or whatever, right? If you're a Jewish son, maybe you need to be a lawyer, a doctor or [01:09:00] whatever it is.

Right. Um, Chinese students at my age, when we applied to MIT, they're like, Oh, you have to play piano or violin or both

[01:09:10] ck: and play the tennis.

[01:09:11] Peggy: To the T, all the Chinese kids at MIT. I later both. So the point is, is that if you're a cockatiel and you're singing a parakeet song, you're not attracting cockatiels.

And then there's this whole friction because you got a lot of parakeets who want to mate with you. And this is like, not comfortable. It's the equivalent of sexual violence or sexual assault, right? And on your body, that's friction. That's resistance and friction. And so the key to doing more in your life, I find, is to be more authentically a cockatiel or whatever birdsong.

You are and only sing that bird song and the more you do that [01:10:00] no matter what pressure you're having from society To like maybe you're a male single male in China And you're told you need an apartment and a car in order to get married or whatever, right? There's like all these tropes But instead, you need to like double click, triple click, quadruple click on who you are, the nuance of who you are, because everybody has an energetic fingerprint that is completely unique to them.

There's only one CK in the entire universe, entire reality, entire multiple realities of all that is and nothing. There's only one CK. We have energetic fingerprint. So feel into what that fingerprint is. And it's much more nuanced than Taiwanese guy that needs to be successful. You, whatever, earn lots of money and drive a fast car in LA, right?

There's a lot more.

[01:10:54] ck: That's why I'm doing the podcast, right? To normalize these type of conversations. So we can go beyond the. [01:11:00] The matrix, so to speak, right? The presuppositions of what we should be versus, um, what we could be or what we really want to be, you know, who we really are. Yeah.

[01:11:13] Peggy: And I'm, I'm constantly being asked or told to maybe not be my true self, my whole life.

And for example, my, starting with my mom, she was like, why don't you dress more like a girl? See those girls over there? Like, you know, cause I was a tomboy. And I'm very masculine, honestly. Like, I have a very strong masculine inside me. And so I didn't want to dress like a girly girl. Um, and then even now, I have people who are trying to protect me and advising me not to come out fully with my gifts.

And there's a lot of sensitives who are in fear of [01:12:00] being assaulted energetically because they are who they are. But I'm going to choose, I am choosing to believe in my own power, to create my own reality. And that is one where I can be who I am and that I do not have to live in this fear, that I do not have to veil myself.

And so this is one of the reasons why I'm very openly showing what might seem really crazy, you know, like super crazy if you're not at all, uh, exposed to this type of stuff. I mean, you are, right? Honestly, nobody who's watching your podcast would not be open to this type of stuff, right? Let's just be honest, right?

This is why, like, they would not find me here unless they were seeking. Unless they were seeking. And so [01:13:00] therefore they are ready, and therefore they should listen to this podcast three times to get as much download of wisdom codes as possible from my voice, but also from the words that I'm speaking. So

[01:13:14] ck: I have a question for you about that, because remember who you are.

There's a knowingness, but I also hear you say releasing the internal friction and the resistance. As well as, you didn't say this word, what I'm hearing is also, to transcend, perhaps, maybe that's the word, of the outside, outsider point of view that's always trying to change who you are. Can you share with us a little bit of what that looks like for you?

[01:13:44] Peggy: Well, let me try to simplify it to say, ask yourself whether or not every single person that you meet or a place that you're at or a food that you eat or a car that you drive or a color that you wear, ask if it is energetically aligned with your higher [01:14:00] self. If a person that you're about to hire, are they energetically aligned with the higher self of the company?

Right. If the burger they're about to eat, is this really energetically aligned with my higher self? Sometimes it is maybe if it's organically, you know, grass fed beef cooked with love and you eat it once a while earlier in the day

So it's interesting now that I have the skill to ask that question I'm asking it for everything and it is so interesting. What direction do I face? Please put me In the direction I should face on the beach while I'm practicing chi when I work with these stones, you know I ask because they're if you think of themselves as beings then they are sovereign beings and they should be free [01:15:00] Right right now the crystal the crystal stores and trade shows that are a little bit like slave trade So I tried to include them to say look you are sovereign.

You are free. Tell me where you want to be Tell me where you to be placed and it will move my body And put it into a particular position in my room. And now, now that I'm listening to the signals, I try to do that of everything. I'm not great at it. I don't do 100%, but for example, the other day, a little tiny bird feather dropped in front of, on the floor in front of my sink.

I live sort of half outside off grid and my entire backyard is netted to prevent the gnats from killing me at night. Right. And so I'm like, how did a bird feather come inside this netted area right where I usually stand in front of my sink? And so I asked myself, is this a signal for [01:16:00] me? You know? And then I asked a series of questions.

So like, what does the signal mean for me? And then I asked, where do you want to be? And it put itself on my altar, one of my altars, right? So

this can, you know, the, the simple answer to your question is start to ask. Every single thing that you do, everything that you surround yourself with the to the micro to the macro, what continent you live in, right? If the couch that you're sitting on is the right furniture, is it placed in the right place?

Is the mirror placed in the right place? Is this aligned with my highest self? It's a really simple exercise. And the more you let your body respond, like, Oh, there's a lot of tricks. If you ever see somebody who. Like is doing this thing. Have you ever seen [01:17:00] anybody do this? Yes. That's like they're, they're asking their body.

Yes. No. Like there was some testing, right? Muscle testing. Right. So I, I essentially do muscle testing, except my whole body moves. Like my whole body is a pendulum. People use pendulums. Yes. No swinging. Cause everything is electromagnetic. And so you might see a pendulum swing. Like a circle, or the other way, or this way, or that way.

Yes, no, you can program it. And that is because the pendulum you're programming to plug in to the cloud database in the sky. Your body is a pendulum, because every single cell is electromagnetic. Your heart, you might have heard this, I think from the Heart Math Institute, is like a 5, 000 times stronger magnetic generator than the brain.

It's a hundred times stronger electric generator than the brain, right? And what's interesting is is that it is pumping blood throughout your body. Your [01:18:00] blood has iron. Iron is magnetic, right? All very interesting, but everything is magnetic. So if you just let the magnet swing, then your whole body will move to orient itself and you can program it.

Yes or no, maybe reframe the question, et cetera. And so very long question to what was meant to be a simple answer. Is something aligned or not?

[01:18:29] ck: I mean, I like it a lot. I mean, like I said earlier, my intention is to live a deeper life, to be more attuned to who I really am. That's ultimately, you touch on this.

Exactly. Um, my overall intention is so that people can live an awakened life, be who they really are, sovereign, with a sovereignty, with agency, everything that you said is perfectly aligned with my overall intention of this podcast.

[01:18:57] Peggy: Yeah, and I think what your questions are trying to do is double [01:19:00] click, triple click, quadruple click again on these, because like, if you hear somebody say, remember who you are.

Like, even me, like, I'm fairly late in my spiritual journey. I had no idea what this guy was saying, this spiritual elder, who I knew he had a lot of wisdom for me. So what I like as an engineer are like step by step instructions that I can then practice and then to feel like, Oh, can I do this? Is this like, does this resonate with my body, my field?

Can I, and then, and then I practice it every day. I am very serious about practicing. Um, Every single day and integrating and I'm lucky in that, you know, my mind is pretty strong. And so I take somebody's lesson and then I'm able to experiment, I'm able to integrate it into my practice very quickly. So it's not just knowing something, it's creating the momentum by integrating it into practice.

So I think that this podcast has a lot of really [01:20:00] simple tips for people. Right. Well,

[01:20:03] ck: actually, here's the thing, Peggy, simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Yeah. Why is it simple? Because it fucking works, right? So why go through the complexity, the fancy moves, the fancy kicks, the flip kicks, all these things, if you can just straight punch like, uh, you know what I mean?

So that's, that's what I like. So a couple of things I want to double click. All right. The, the, the heart of what you're saying, what I'm hearing you is. Ask yourself this question. Is this aligning to me at the micro, the smallest scale to the biggest scale? Yeah. One. Two, um, keep practicing the basics because at the end of the day, through the journey of practicing martial arts.

You can probably attest to this. In the beginning, the teachers issued basic kicks. Or the basic moves. And in the middle level, blue belt level, now it gets to [01:21:00] like fancy kicks and stuff like that. And once you get to the black level, and the multiple degrees of black belt, You go back to the basics because it fucking works, you know, so that's that's, you know, I like talking about the basics because that's to me is the path, the atomic unit, which will build towards mastery.

[01:21:18] Peggy: You know, I'll say a couple other tips. One is to journal every sensation. And so when I was learning how to do energetic healing, I had to, to feel like, Oh, there's pressure in my crown. There's like a pressure in my third eye. Oh, there's a tingling sensation, or there's a, there's, you know, uh, here a pulse, um, I could feel heat here.

So like journal, journal signals. So and then you go back and you'll realize, Oh, I actually progressed really fast as a spiritual being. Journaling feel the sensation And then [01:22:00] oh there was there was another one that I was gonna say, what was the other one?

Okay. Well, it'll come to me. Yeah, lots of oh, oh, I know what it was. Okay, the people who progress the fastest with me Are people who are not learning,

they're remembering

this feels right to me. I feel like I've done this before. This comes naturally to me. This is right. I know it is.

And just double click on things that you remember. Hmm.[01:23:00]

Does that make sense?

[01:23:01] ck: I like that. So what does it look like for Peggy? Are you giving your intention to awaken the world? Does it look like you're going to start more green companies? Does it look like you're going to build a public platform? With tons of followers, does it look like gonna be making movies and, you know, use your kind of embedded in the story, like Star Wars kind of a thing, like, what does it feel like?

Right

[01:23:32] Peggy: now. Well, so for people who don't know who I am, which is probably everybody, um, I, in since 2004, I lived in Shanghai, China from the U S and in 2007, I started an NGO that was quite influential in starting the clean tech revolution in China. So I, it's literally called joint U S China collaboration on clean energy, which is interesting in these times.

Right. And, um, I was asked by the U S government to [01:24:00] bring in smart grid into China. So I also started the whole smart grid revolution in China, which changes the entire electrical grid. Um, I was asked by the Chinese government at the same time to teach the first ever curriculum for mayors across China on how to build eco cities.

So over time I taught a thousand mayors. and central government officials. I brought in the top best practices from around the world to create a really interesting curriculum, which now online reaches hundreds of thousands and over time, probably millions of government officials. And, uh, we, you know, catalyze green bonds, the China dream slogan, the national slogan was actually intended to embed sustainable images like blue sky and green grass in nature into the default image of life in China that is thriving.

And this is for sure true. If you go through any subway and look at [01:25:00] the billboards, everything is definitely has that energetic vibration. Um, we We did seven major changes, I'll say, across China. So now, because COVID, um, August 2020, I stopped doing on the ground work in China. Uh, honestly, it was 13 years.

I feel like we did the work that needed to be done to get China on a green trajectory, not just for itself, but as a leader of greening in the world. Uh, and now, I continue to be a global speaker. So you will find me in Let's see, I'll be in Dubai at the World Economic Forum in October. I'm going to Singapore at the end of September to speak.

I'm speaking in Madrid in October as well, etc. So I usually speak about sustainability and China, what to learn from China, and tornado leadership, what to take from this. Uh, [01:26:00] I, I cut across all sustainability industries, so, and I have on the ground experience with leadership in government and companies and NGOs in China.

Most people don't. Most people are just trying to watchers. So I have a pretty unique, um, speaking platform, uh, but now because during COVID I actually moved to the nation of Hawaii, a sovereign country that is being built. In Oahu territory, 45 acres off the back of President Clinton signing an apology resolution to the Hawaiian peoples.

And we're literally creating a new country. There's a president, a vice president, ministers, et cetera, that I advise. And. What I have learned is, is that the ancient Hawaiian system of ahupua'a, ahupua'a, which is communally stored water flows, watersheds, is probably the single biggest key to [01:27:00] survivability.

For all of humanity to create conscious communities that communally stored watersheds. Uh, and so I'm learning, but I'm also now working to create, um, what we're tentatively calling an International Center for Island Resilience. And this is on the back of helping create a disaster response, um, with, um, with a very large company, which is not to be named, but their disaster response unit, and the nation of Hawaii for the Maui wildfires.

So Lahaina Burrowtown, it's a very sacred place, and my team went in on the ground the next day. And help set up the emergency response center in the Lahaina Civic Center, the joint command center that Joe Biden visited, President Biden visited, um, pulled remains off the, you know, wildfire [01:28:00] coal, set up, um, uh, created drone maps of culturally important areas that need to be restored or preserved or whatever, starting to map the watersheds, Thank you.

Uh, in that area, um, and, you know, helps with food delivery, uh, Starlink setup, et cetera. So a lot of comms and tech. So we want to use that to create a living laboratory, if you will, here on these 45 acres with native Hawaiians. Um, that have an aboriginal indigenous culture that is sacred and sophisticated and to use this as a testbed for creating something that you can imagine can be shipped, drop shipped on flat, um, flat packs and containers to any island, but then also to learn about cultural resiliency and cultural appropriate engagement [01:29:00] with communities and disaster response and also inner resilience.

So a lot of the energy work that we're talking about needs to be built into disaster response and preparedness, not just the tech that we're also playing around with. So we installed Hawaii's first experimental cell tower that has a 5G and 4G on it. So it's like a portable mobile cell tower that we can ship in disasters.

Um, We ship something called eThor to the Marine base here that does experimentation for all Marines across the U. S. That will be used here in the nation of Hawaii. It's called eThor and it allows, it's like this military grade all terrain vehicle that has instant like power, solar power, 5G, 4G, you know, satellite, microwave, etc.

for communications. Water from air technology. So all the stuff that I love because I'm a engineering geek and I'm an environmentalist and I worked on [01:30:00] scaling this China scale. Now I want to do it island scale and appropriate, scale it in a way that is appropriate, uh, to the indigenous aboriginal cultures.

So that's one of the big projects that I'm also working

[01:30:16] ck: on. I love that. I really appreciate how you take your superpowers in environmentalism, engineering, technology, science. Um, civil, I don't even know how to call it, design of the city and, um, energy healing. Yeah. Everything that you do, that's a beautiful marination of everything coming together.

Yeah, it's fun. Um, one thing that Bradford actually really applaud you for is your ability to, um, get into really influential networks and establish yourself very quickly. Yeah. And I want to ask you this question. In terms of making social change, what's your thought on it? Is it more [01:31:00] bottom up, grassroots, da da da, to the influential, or is it top down, or is it some harmonious method in the middle?

In terms of just being a visionary, a creator, right, and then causing change in a scale and accelerated way, like, what's your thinking behind it?

[01:31:21] Peggy: So it depends on the society. So when I was working in China, everything has to do with the government. And so one of the best pieces of advice that I got from the Chinese side in creating this first public dialogues between us and Chinese government officials on clean energy was in order to get the highest level Chinese person to speak, I needed to get a foreign government official, uh, active or retired and they would match peer to peer.

And so. My secret to creating the tornado and to create the initial energy was to inject a [01:32:00] title, high title of government officials. And, you know, I could go into how to work in China at great length. That's a different podcast, different topic. Now in, for example, Hawaii or as they call it Hawaii, um, or yeah, many, I would say like in the U.

S. It's actually, I would say homesteads. Conscious communities that are capitalized in a way that celebrates what abundance really means versus an imprisonment of capitalism. So usually there has to be

[01:32:44] ck: a double click on that. I'm not. Yeah, there's a lot of say that again. So

[01:32:49] Peggy: one is like having a conscious community at the center, the energy, energetic frequency or the fingerprint of that community.

Is established by a [01:33:00] couple that may or may not be a romantic couple, but they are balanced in divine feminine, divine masculine. Because when I said earlier, sexual energy is creative energy. It's because, you know, if you get into birth, right, you need male and female sperm and egg. Right. But it's also energetic, divine, feminine, divine, masculine, yin, yang, Shiva, Shakti, et cetera.

So one is understanding that a community is not a piece of land. It's an energetic frequency. And that couple needs to be future oriented. That couple needs to be able to imagine the Willy Wonka chocolate factory that they want to create here. It's the president uncle bumpy. We call him has been in this fight essentially for 30 years to establish reestablished sovereignty and dignity.

And culture of, and wisdom of the Hawaiian peoples. He's like the [01:34:00] Nelson Mandela of Hawaii. So, so one is you have to, you're starting to see if you really pay attention, a lot of couples buying up land, large pieces of land, and they want to like create a farm, you know, they want to create a homestead. They want to create a conscious community, whatever, whatever you words you want to use.

John Dennis glue has, I think, a network of. I think at least 27, 30, uh, eco restoration camps, they call them. Don Dennis Lou. And, um, so whatever you call it, the point is, is that it's a homestead that is self sufficient and it's living in harmony with the natural way, the natural order. in harmony and the people in it are aligned with the vision, the energetic frequency of the vision that this conscious couple has created.

Otherwise they shouldn't be there. Another great conscious [01:35:00] community that I visited was Fyndhorn or find horn, Fyndhorn in, uh, the very tippy top of Scotland. Uh, Dominher is another example in Italy, right? So, but the problem with a lot of these is the lack of. Capital and the lack of tool. So what happens is they're all reinventing the wheel, which is very frustrating for me to see.

So I'm hoping that we will create essentially, um, a nervous system and tools that we can just localize and ship to different communities. Ultimately to the more resilient, you know, adapt to be able to respond better to changes. Um, and that includes technology, but it also includes culture preservation and, and allowing them to thrive and shine like beacons and also inner resilience [01:36:00] so that when they do, people do encounter a Lahaina Maui wildfire, they're able to come back, they're able to, um, transmute the trauma in some ways.

[01:36:12] ck: I love that. Let me just zoom out for one second. I really love the approach how you, you know, differentiated your approach to making that social impact in China versus in the nation of Hawaii. Um, in the coaching framework would be meeting people where they're at. Chinese people love status. Great. Let me give you someone of equal status and so that you can let's go.

Whereas Hawaii is a very different, right? Very, what do you call it? Um, homestead level. And then from there, and then co create together that way. I really appreciate, you know, that, that approach.

[01:36:53] Peggy: And part of that is, um, again, sensing the energetic frequency of who you're working with, who you're collaborating with.

What [01:37:00] the land, the Aina, A I N A, is calling you to do. The bird song, literally, of the birds, right? Um, the energetic vortices of the, of the mountains, the water, the islands. All of this has an energetic frequency that you need to adapt to when you're working in that area. And that's why a lot of times when you just come from technology and you're trying to scale, um, the biggest I think a blind spot is how to localize.

So when I taught mayors in China how to build eco cities, I would go around the world to find best practices. I would, you know, create little videos of them so they didn't have to travel there. I maybe would bring people to lecture from that area, like a deputy mayor of London or what have you. But, but the trick is how does this localize to the cities or villages?

That I'm teaching so for example when I taught [01:38:00] bike share before bike share was the thing before China became the largest You know bike shares in the world Chongqing is a city of I think 32 35 million depending on which day you're sneezing, right?

They were like, have you ever been to Chongqing? I go. Oh not yet. Sorry, but I would love to go I mean, I've been to the outskirts of it, but not the city And, um, they said, well, it's very hilly, so bike share wouldn't work.

So, as somebody who has the best intentions of using technology to improve the lifestyles of humanity, the living standards of humanity, I have to use my senses to understand how to localize that to the land and the culture, the energy [01:39:00] of that community.

[01:39:03] ck: Do you anticipate Because what I'm envisioning the way you're articulating is you're not going to do a prefab cutter.

Here's let's just commercialize everywhere and with all the lands. What I'm hearing is creating an engineering term, an operating system. Here's the best practices and here are all the different things that kind of all fit together, but let's adapt to the different localities based on the need. So that's my understanding.

Did that accurate rewording of what you said? So some

[01:39:35] Peggy: of it is. It is infrastructure. Some of it is like cultural, right? And so, for example, there are granite, uh, mountains and granite islands and coral islands, for example. So there might be a lot of differences. Um, some of them might be just offshore. Some of them might be in the middle of the ocean, like Hawaii.

So harder to get to, [01:40:00] right? And so shipping is an issue infrastructure. But there's also, uh, uh, again, double, triple click through the different layers. Networking protocol, I used to work in ISDN modems and there's like networking protocol, so there's layers, right? That go up to the application layer from the hardware layer.

And so for localization, it's the same thing. So we have to, we have to go down or up.

[01:40:30] ck: Now, my follow up question was going to be this. So I have a roughly correct, but my follow up question was going to be this, um, do you anticipate, cause let's say if I'm a chief in the Yawanawa, you know, I'm a chief of the Yawanawa tribe in the Amazon jungle, you know, naturally they might be skeptical about outsiders trying to tell them or help them or support them, teach them what to do.

Right. So, so how do you anticipate, [01:41:00] uh, people, right. Eagerly embrace like, Hey, show me all the tools you've got. Then I may pick and choose which tools, you know, now would you anticipate a lot of, you know, a long term enrollment process to that they trust you?

[01:41:14] Peggy: Well, uh, boy, that there's a lot of answers to that.

So the the guy who basically led the disaster response for us has been working in disaster response since 2000. Five. Jeffrey Schweitzer. He's the guy who, like, rappelled down a helicopter to set up comms after Hurricane Katrina. Or went to Ukraine after they were bombed to set up comms there. And Um,

he said that this disaster was unprecedented. You know, how many years is that? He's been working in disasters for a long time. He's never seen anything like this. One, in just how big and swift it was, right? A whole [01:42:00] town burnt down in hours because of the winds. And it was a fire, and it was an island. But also because of the way that people responded on a community grassroots level.

Um, they showed resilience versus waiting in a parking lot after a hurricane to get FEMA handouts. And in fact, they really actively said, we don't want government involved. We reject government handouts. I mean, there's a lot of history to that, right? There's a lot of colonialism and et cetera, et cetera.

But so, I think the key is you have to, you have to create decentralized, community led Disaster Response or Resilience Bases, Hubs, Resilience Hubs, Community Led Resilience Hubs. It has to be. Um, there's a woman named Olani Wilhelm that just left, um, Biden's OS, the Office of Science and [01:43:00] Technology. And before she left, which was two days before I had dinner with her, she wrote, I think three weeks before she left, she wrote an engagement handbook to engage Hawaiians.

Because there was no, because Hawaiians are not considered a tribe. The Native Indian tribes, they have like handbooks for how to, with a protocol for how to deal with. engaging government and tribes, but they don't have them for Hawaiian. So she is part Hawaiian, and she wrote this. And during the Lahaina recovery or response, they started to print these out, give them away, a abbreviated version, laminated, so that people can, like especially the government, Can learn how to be more sensitive and actually because of this, they sort of pulled back like FEMA sort of pulled back a little bit in what you call it, land with technology and say, here it is, you know, welcome.

So one is it's very [01:44:00] important. The fact that this risk, this center international center for Island resilience will be based in the nation of Hawaii with uncle Bumpy, who is basically a Nelson Mandela for Hawaiians. He's like seventh or eighth generation descendant of King Kamehameha, depending on. You know, how you count the bloodlines.

And so you have to have cred street cred, right? You have to have people vouch for you. You are welcome here with your technologies. And then you have to do. Technology transfer and knowledge capability building, right? And so we're going to invite the Marines to come here, even though the history has been be be afraid of the military because the military took over Hawaii.

Right. But so I think this is going to be very historic that we're in talks with the Marine captain who is in charge of experimentation [01:45:00] for all Marines to come here to do simulations of disaster response so they can learn. What is appropriate culturally, and they want to do that too. They want to do it the right way, so it's just a matter of building the bridge.

And to build the bridge, you need people who are sensitive to the different energies, and then to come up with something that can meet in the middle.

[01:45:30] ck: Reminds me of the cultural scientist of the Avatar movie.

Be culturally sensitive, introduce, and build that bridge. Even though the movie took a whole different direction, but The intent of having the cultural study there is.

[01:45:49] Peggy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you know, I did a TED talk. Oh, one of the TED talks that I did in Shanghai was [01:46:00] cultural bridges, the service. So it might be worth your listeners to also look at because I really believe cultural bridges and especially people who are of mixed heritage are the key to peace because they're, by default, they're going to have to be more sensitive to the different energies, otherwise they couldn't, can't survive.

[01:46:32] ck: Yeah, especially, at least for me, I'm sensing a lot of disharmony in the macro right now and it seems to me it's becoming more and more polarized and even though on the micro, you know, all of my friends, myself, we all practice everything that, that we've been talking about, so my, my micro system is quite harmonious actually, but the macro from all the news media that I can hear, that I can sense is very [01:47:00] polarized.

[01:47:02] Peggy: Yeah, I would just stop listening. I stopped actually watching news. So I'm lucky that I am plugged into a network that I get firsthand news from people who actually are in the trenches, so to speak. So I feel like I know what I need to know. But remember, media is a narrative is feeding us a narrative that is very polarized, dualistic and is not correct, honestly, when it comes to China.

I know because I live in China part time, right? And a lot of the stuff that is being presented by media without getting into a whole nother podcast subject is simply not accurate. And it is creating the tension, which forces a reaction of like, imagine if you're bullied in school all the time, at some point you're going to hit back, you know, at some point.

And, um, this has just been a really, [01:48:00] really, really long journey. To get to this and the media is not helping. So stop listening to it because the reality and I'll give another like nugget here for listeners. Reality is simply your emotional response. Can

[01:48:21] ck: you say more?

[01:48:23] Peggy: So if you look at the US China Geo-politics from the US side, let's say, uh, a hawkish side, then you emotionally respond with fear, with anger that territory or industries or economies being taken over the fear of something else rising and taking away your power because there's only lack, right?

Or whatever. I mean, you can keep going, right? The narrative is filled with emotion of dualism. It's like Batman versus Joker, Superman versus Lex Luthor, [01:49:00] right? There's always in U. S. movies, there tends to be a I love that you're

[01:49:03] ck: bringing superhero references in this. That's amazing.

[01:49:08] Peggy: But these American movies, there's always like the good guy versus bad guy.

There's very little nuance. Whereas if you look at Chinese movies, it's always about the struggle and there's no real clear good guy, bad guy. It's just like suffering. And, um, it's almost like karmic suffering and it's the lessons of resilience. It's really the resilience and heart. Um, and. It's like a big mess and like, usually they aim to make everybody cry with a lot of big box of tissues by the end of the movie, right?

Like, there's no happy ending. There's no Disney happy ending. So, um, for China, that's the media we're being fed internally. And that means like, be more resilient. Look, all these other people have gone through tragedy upon tragedy [01:50:00] upon tragedy. And, you know, they're still there. They still exist. So you can do it too.

Life is hard, but buck up. Like, that's the lesson that most people are getting. And so, Chinese people are really resilient, and they suffer a lot more than what I see peer groups go through in the U. S., frankly. A lot more. But they still exist, and they accept it. They accept the suffering as part of life.

Is part of the journey, right? It's much more nuanced. So, so, when I say your reality is just your emotional response, for the US, they're creating this whole reality that China's the enemy. And so therefore it is, and therefore China has to react in a certain way. And so they have created a reality. The media in the West has created a reality that is [01:51:00] now becoming more and more true.

China, on the other hand, interestingly, is completely surrounded by digital wall. And so unless you're like bilingual, like I am or yeah, unless you're bilingual, you don't really care to go on Facebook or Instagram or Tik TOK or Snapchat or whatever, because they're in English. You can't understand it anyway.

Even if you watch the TV, you have to wait for somebody to subtitle it so you can, you know, watch it front in Chinese. Right. And so the reality within China is actually, I think a much safer environment because I mean, look, this is very nuanced. So people are going to, but that whatever. But generally speaking, what I'm trying to say is, is that there is, I believe, a very [01:52:00] intelligent, well meaning government that is trying to create a thriving China dream for all its citizens, not just the 1 percent few.

It's very important that all the way to the rural West, the little farmer in the podunk village that takes like three hours to just drive through the mountains to get through that person should be have, you know, equally thriving lifestyle is the person in Shanghai that moved to the city. So that dream is then portrayed in the media.

And it gives a lot of people who visit China say, wow, all these people are super optimistic, even though it's not the best living standard for everybody. Right. It's still very poor, mostly, but boy, they seem really optimistic about the future. Why is that? Well, because every single day has been a better day and we celebrate the, [01:53:00] you know, improvements in the media.

If you look at the papers, a lot of people say, Oh, it's propaganda because it's like all good. There's a good reason why it's all good news. It's because it gives people a good feeling of progress and hope that they themselves, the next day, and their children in the next generation, will have a better future.

In the US, a lot of people I know quote all the time, Oh, this is the first generation that they're not expected to live as long as their parents. There's so much pessimism, right? So, there's a lot of nuance to this, and yes, you could say, oh, there's a lot of mental illness issues, you know, in China, etc., and blah, blah, blah, blah.

But, look, I'm just trying to make a point that your reality is governed by your emotional response and you are in charge of your emotions. And so if people can just understand that, [01:54:00] then they will shift their emotional reaction the way that they observe, uh, a particular scenario and then they will act differently and the other person will act differently too.

And that is true of the story that I first started with, which is my mom, right? I changed my emotional reaction. To my quote unquote past, and I chose to view her with compassion, and now we have a different relationship because my emotional response to her has changed. And therefore she could feel that energy, it's safe, so now she acts in a way that is safe.

[01:54:41] ck: A thousand percent Peggy. I mean a big part of, I mean everything you say I'm definitely in alignment with. A big part of what Noble Warrior. I mean I'm a nerd when it comes to neutralizing our negative self talks, reinforcing positive ones. To me, what that means is just [01:55:00] how do we engineer our narratives that empowers us.

And let go of the ones that we don't and using very engineering speak about that, you know So we can look at it from the very micro point of view. Like how do I relate to myself? Do I relate to my friends? What do my friends mean to me? Why do I relate to my company that I built? What does that mean to my, you know Community society humanity as a whole, you know nation all those things, right?

It's just different fractal But in my opinion just these are different narratives. How do we? How do, how do I, and how do we, um, uh, find harmony in the narratives that we pick and choose that works for us? And I love, you know, how we started this conversation and we're going to end with this conversation is this, ultimately, you are the creator of your life.

And how do we get there? You know, we talked about the micro, the personal, right, the energy, harmony, and everything and the tornado [01:56:00] leadership. And then we talked about macro. Uh, companies and society, nations, we cover a lot. Thank you so much.

[01:56:11] Peggy: This is a lot. I hope, you know, this is why you have to listen to this three times to fully comprehend what I said, but also when the message, um, when people are ready to receive the message and really integrate it, they will listen to the words in a slightly different way.

But it's all an adventure, life is an adventure and just experience it with joy, you know, and just, um, wonder, sheer wonder. And that will lead you to what is truly aligned for your true self, for your higher self. So I hope, I hope you get something out of this.

[01:56:46] ck: Oh, a thousand percent. Thank you. I mean, the reason I, let me just double click on that real quick.

The reason I want to talk to people who are householder, but who are also, um, have a deep spiritual [01:57:00] practices, like medicine, whatever the thing is, is so that we can navigate in the space of the material and the spiritual. And for me, that's the kind of person I want to be. I don't want to just live in a cave and in a mountaintop somewhere.

I want to be with the people and actually doing something about the environment, the macro. And I see, and this is my best way to contribute and people resonate with this, with the likes of Peggy. Fantastic. Great. If they don't, fantastic. Great. And then we're going to live a great life with joy and purpose, you know, that's what I'm here to do.

[01:57:35] Peggy: Yeah. I love that. And, and again, the keyword that you said is resonate. So everything that somebody says, I learned this lesson fairly early on because I used to take criticism really. Like to the heart, like literally a dagger to my heart. And then I realized, look, not everything somebody says. Is aligned with me or resonates with me.

And so I can [01:58:00] use my discernment to choose to integrate that into my practice or not. And so that, that is the free will that we have, even with his podcast is like, not everything I'm going to say resonates with everybody. And that is okay. It's okay. But I hope a lot of it does.

[01:58:20] ck: Absolutely. It does for me.

Uh, Peggy, is there anything? I should have asked that. I just totally forgot. You want to bring it in?

[01:58:32] Peggy: Oh, I mean, there's so, there's so much that we could have talked about, of course, but I think this was a lot. I'd be surprised if anybody actually listened to this in one entire fell swoop, one sitting. Um, but I think like just to have.

Have the belief that there are people that you can find, or within yourself, the ability to energetically be more [01:59:00] yourself. Like, this is the most important practice that I have, is to view everything as energy. And so there's There's a lot of resources out there. I hope people go out and find them. I think a lot of people that you are probably interviewing are energetic healers like me.

There's you know, people that will resonate and people who won't resonate. So choose who you work with very carefully, but please do it. Please work on yourself. Please work on your energy. Please work on strengthening your energy shield. Please work on shining your energetic light. Please work on building up your energy.

Please working work on being your true colors of your energy. So with that, thank you so much, CK, this was amazing. I just really

[01:59:57] ck: acknowledge you for being who you are from [02:00:00] the dedication, from the work, from the mastery. We cover a lot of bases. I love the fact that you're able to zoom in on the micro and zoom on the macro with such articulation.

You even brought in some superhero references. I just love our conversation. Thank you so much for being here on Noble Warriors.

[02:00:19] Peggy: Thanks CK. Bye

from Hawaii.