6 months before Tim Sae Koo successfully exited his tech startup in Silicon Valley at age 27, he started his pivot as a person and as an entrepreneur where he gets to pour his heart in selfless service.


  • His rituals (including his mantra) to get grounded
  • Pause and let the body answer the emotional flavors it seeks
  • Cultivate flow by intent and surrender (and how he manages his calendar)
  • 7/90/365day vision and manifestation practice
  • Discerning decisions by the mind or by the hear
  • Benchmarking with your favorite childhood song +His major life categories
  • Honing one’s vision during hard times
  • Executing small micro-commitments (by repetition and hypnosis)
  • How 1heart did their emergency pivot (reality, commitment, opportunities, quick validation)
  • How to identify your superpower (enjoy, effortless, and external validation from trusted advisors)
  • Validation of their new business model and monetization (a la virtual accelerator)
  • Cultivating your relationships during turbulent times
  • and more…


I am worthy, I am loved

where is my heart at in terms of its excitement.

suspend logic to invite magic

Service(emotional, spiritual, financial) is a privilege

Where in my journey do I want to invite more of?

Thought is creative, words is the action to make it happen

Some of my most magical moments have come from the question of “how can I support you?”

When you are lost, surrendering to service can unlock doors, unlock opportunities, and unlock magic that you aren’t seeing

Surrender to me, it does not mean wave a white flag and lay down on your bed and be lazy; it means having moment to moment awareness of receiving signals and signs and and listene to some greater power.


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[00:00:00] CK LIN: [00:00:00] today I’m really excited to have my friend Tim  with us today. He is the. COO, the chief manifestation officer and a partner for one heart where he gets you pour his heart in selfless service after bootstrapping, and then successful successfully exited his first tech company after, the age of 27. So thank you so much for being on the show, Tim.

[00:00:28] TIM SAE KOO: [00:00:28] Appreciate you meeting for pleasure. Excited to share.

[00:00:32]CK LIN: [00:00:32] Where are you right now, by the way?

[00:00:34]TIM SAE KOO: [00:00:34] I’m currently located in Miami, Florida of all places. Definitely wasn’t expecting that as I’ve been kind of backpacking around the world for this past year. But, you know, they say that you’ve tried to have plans and God kind of, slaps you a little bit to help you realize that you don’t have much control.

[00:00:48] And now I’m in Miami,

[00:00:51]CK LIN: [00:00:51] so you’ve been traveling around the world totally open space, free spirit traveling now that you’re. Restraint [00:01:00] to one specific space. how does it feel?

[00:01:05] TIM SAE KOO: [00:01:05] Yeah. If I say, like, the normal response is like, you know, I’m bored. I feel trapped. I’m restless, but, as we learn. The choice of every situation is up to you.

[00:01:17] And I’m choosing to see it as a time to, practice stillness through meditation, practice curiosity through, lots of reading and all different types of topics. And then just kind of like. Staying, inwards and diving inwards to unravel, any, any issues and challenges that, I’ve sort of maybe put under the, under the rug and, bring that more into their lights.

[00:01:44] CK LIN: [00:01:44] So the way I kind of relate to all these pandemic, the covert 19 situations is that this is effectively a giant global ceremony where we, yes, perfect as well. That’s a perfect description, [00:02:00] experienced all the intensity of everything and is the in, in, in, in many ways. It’s a blessing in disguise. So let me unpack why I say that.

[00:02:10] Because a lot of times we get so busy in our daily lives and we forget to look at certain areas of our life. Now, you were in the pressure cooker. I’m changing analogies again in the pressure cooker. Now we could see, where certain areas in our lives is a little weaker, perhaps certain relationships or have our relationship with our kids, perhaps our health perhaps, and so forth.

[00:02:33] So on so forth. So I’m curious to know from your point of view, what kind of rituals are you, do you have to help yourself get grounded to get center in all of this when all is happening?

[00:02:49] TIM SAE KOO: [00:02:49] Yeah. Yeah. So I been practicing like sleep, going to sleep at I like 10 or 11 at night to wake up around six or [00:03:00] seven.

[00:03:00]after that, I’ll kind of. Be awake and lay in bed, but, just kind of like take some deep breaths and there’s a powerful practice where. You can state some sort of, let’s say mantra or just self-motivated, belief that you have, in the morning, right when you wake up. Cause your brain is so primed to, receiving, at that moment.

[00:03:22]hence why many also. Agree that it’s not as such a good idea to, open social media right when you wake up. So I’ll, I’ll say certain things to myself, lately or previously it’s been around like, I am worthy. I am, I loved, and it’s just, you know, simple little reminders. After that, I’ll go take a walk.

[00:03:40]I really love, enjoy, Participating in nature. I see nature actually as a way to communicate with spirits and, and some higher power, whatever you believe in. And so take a walk, make some breakfast. And then just, lately I’ve been practicing like this idea of like, where is my heart at in terms of its excitement.

[00:03:59] So yeah, I [00:04:00] still have work and I still get to do some work. however, because there’s schedule’s wide open, I asked myself at this moment, do I want to read something and I’m like, juggling three different books right now. Do I want to listen to a podcast? Do I want to make some music to stretch my creativity muscle or do I want to hunker down and get something done?

[00:04:20] Or, you know, hop on a call and check in with someone. so I’d say like, primarily that’s been my practice through this period of time. It’s like checking in with the heart and being like, all right, what’s going to be exciting right now? And sure, there’s not as many options as, as before. but I think that’s where the creativity comes into play, that you get to, embrace.

[00:04:42] CK LIN: [00:04:42] So I’ll share my personal thing with you as well. So one of my, so like everyone else, I watched Netflix, right? I, I, get into the, the channel flipping as well, and I’m okay with that because as you were saying earlier. For me, it’s not so much of [00:05:00] seeking of watching a certain show or being entertained.

[00:05:02] For me, it’s like, how do I want to feel like what? Flavor of emotion, right? And, but, but a lot of times I’m not, like, I don’t know exactly what I’m looking for until, so I have to like flip through different shows, kind of like test it on like basically. Kind of like a Panda express, like try the orange chicken and then like, Hmm, do I like it or do I not like it?

[00:05:25] Right? So that’s for one way I’m going about it another way I’m going about it. I don’t know if you ever had hoppy before jumping on tobacco. A cafe is one of those things really get me grounded right away really, really quickly. So that’s another way for me to just basically strip off all of the mental chatters, emotional chapters, and then start from from nothing.

[00:05:48] That’s however, the inquiry that I have is a lot of times I’m still unclear what is it that I’m seeking. So I’ll be flipping through different audio books, podcasts, and [00:06:00] Netflix shows in a try on the chocolates, and I’m like. Alan satisfy, right? So we’ll try it and all of these delicious things, so to speak, but still not quite hitting the spot that I’m looking for.

[00:06:14] You have any mental models, a way to help you be more expedient, be more efficient in finding the emotional flavor that you’re going after.

[00:06:29]TIM SAE KOO: [00:06:29] that’s a great question. I wouldn’t say there’s a necessarily a practice more than an inquiry, that I ask myself of like, and I, and I let the, I let the body kind of respond.

[00:06:40]so what I mean by that is. I’ll, I’ll be like, okay, what do I want to do right now? I have a list of options that I’ve acquired skills with and everyone has this ability to do so and, and then just kind of like move towards it. And whether it’s like, okay, I want to go make some music, and I’m moved towards it and I start touching it and I [00:07:00] started, you know, preparing it.

[00:07:01] And then. If there’s not continual excitement from the body or the heart, kind of like beating a little bit faster or just, you know, feeling flow by losing track of time, then I kind of adjust from there. And sometimes I may be completely, like in your example, flipping through the channels and when I noticed that, I go out side and lay on the hand.

[00:07:24] I like the sensor myself with the sun in the nature. And it’s really nice weather here. So you’re just kind of grounded, reset. And then from there, I’ll listen to some music. And usually it’s music around, classical music or, you know, the genre of medicine, music, if you’re into that, into that world.

[00:07:40] And, it just allows me to recenter. And then from there I’ll check in again. And so that’s kind of that practice and using the body as a way to, to receive the answer.

[00:07:48]CK LIN: [00:07:48] So you’re actually. Second person who told me similar practice. So the moment you notice your grasping for something, you are then shut everything off and just go outside to nature to pause.

[00:08:00] [00:08:00] And then once you had that soft reset. Then they can each, you can choose newly versus just incessantly grasping and flipping through the channels.

[00:08:10] TIM SAE KOO: [00:08:10] And I think I think of that as like a, as a way to reset in terms of like asking the question, like, what’s your intention right now? Is it to rest? Is it to message to play?

[00:08:19] Is it to just be entertained and be lazy if self, so be it, but just be intentional by with it. And when I realize that I’m flipping through channels and that, that metaphor. And unconsciously kind of going about my day. if I can catch myself, not every time, but if I can catch myself, that’s what I mean by like, heading into nature or just laying on a hammock outside, watching the leaves, dance, watching the wind blow, watching the sun shine, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:08:42] And then use that time to be like, okay, let’s, let’s take a pause. What do I, what do I intend to, to do right now? Or be right now? And, more. Would that bring me joy.

[00:08:55] CK LIN: [00:08:55] So segue to the next thing that I am curious about your [00:09:00] point of view on this. So if you look at the ying and the yang symbol, the yang is all about intentionality.

[00:09:08] Structure, right? Just, you know, going for a certain thing and the gang is about surrender or chaos. Yeah. Flow. Yeah. So two schools of thought around creativity, falling flow, right. And then creating something. One school of thought is our egoic, my, our animal mind instinct is to basically be lazy and just do whatever.

[00:09:37] So therefore we got to half. I think it was Elizabeth Gilbert. I can’t remember exactly who this famous author is. You know, he said, I’m always creative at nine o’clock in the morning in front of my desk, no matter what. All right? So her thing is, let me sweep my temple, make sure it, the conduit is clean, but [00:10:00] then the muse can come through me at this specific time.

[00:10:03] So that’s the school of thought of discipline. And now that school wall thought is, let’s not force it. Right, right. So therefore, no discipline. Just when the channel comes, when the, when the muse visits, then, then I’ll go pick up a pen and start writing. So I’m curious to know your point of view. Are you one way or the other or somewhere in the middle?

[00:10:22] TIM SAE KOO: [00:10:22] Yeah. real quickly, even before sharing that, you know, I see it as like a very. It’s a balance between the masculine and the feminine. It’s actually something I’m, I’m reading a lot into right now on masculinity and understanding femininity more. And masculinity is all around like mission and passion and drive and, and doing.

[00:10:40] Whereas the feminine is really about love and connection and receiving and, and, and, And surrendering, like you’re saying as well. So I see a very similar path to DOD, which allows us to kind of maybe sometimes witness the foe. If a woman is very feminine and a man is very masculine, you can see that dichotomy very clearly in front of her eyes.

[00:10:58]to answer your question, [00:11:00] I, I, I see it as, as this practice that, I recently kind of. received, which is called intended surrender. And so there’s actually a very beautiful song that I was listening to titled that, and it’s called intended surrender. So it is the, I think I see it like visually see it as like a, a dance between the yin and the yang or the masculine, the feminine, where I am a ma, I am more predominantly a masculine male.

[00:11:26] So my, my, my default habit is to go create and to go do and to go succeed in this and that. And this past year, this last year in 2019 I’ve been focused a lot on like the feminine side, which is the surrender, because I know at, at at some point my, my egoic mind can only go so far or it can only achieve so much.

[00:11:49] And there’s, there’s this core belief that there is some divine power and source beyond my wildest thoughts that exist. So it’s this, it’s this balance of like, of [00:12:00] this dance. I see it as a dance. Of of intending, which means you can put out your intention. You can, you can declare something that you want.

[00:12:08] Because we are all creators in our masculine core. We are all creators and at the same time, okay, can you.

[00:12:19]are sometimes laugh at thinking, seeing, yeah. And I say, you can balance with the, yeah. You can balance with the, the, the feminine side of the surrender side by connecting to a greater source, who sometimes laughs at us when we think we can create everything just by ourselves and then surrender and surrender to me, it does not mean wave a white flag and lay down on your bed and be lazy.

[00:12:44] In moment to moment awareness of receiving signals and signs and, and, and, and listening to some greater power. And that’s why I say I love going into nature because that’s my way of communicating or, or we’re talking with some greater power source or [00:13:00] spirits out there. and so it’s this balance of this, this, this dance between put out your intention and then moment to moment awareness and be listening very carefully.

[00:13:11] CK LIN: [00:13:11] So tactically speaking, I want to make this conversation very actionable. So tactically, bring it back to what you were saying earlier about your rituals. You wake up, no social media, and then you go outside for a walk and doing this time, surrender, listened for whatever the new consciousness is coming to you.

[00:13:32] Then say your intention accordingly. Did I understand you correctly?

[00:13:36] TIM SAE KOO: [00:13:36] I’m more so the, the other way, which is I’ll go into, I’ll take a walk and it’s very peaceful and quiet, and I’ll be putting out some medicine, music just to kind of ground me, and then I can check in with myself. Like, what do I want to create today?

[00:13:49] What do I want to, what’s my intention for today? And give you one word. Typically it’s one word. and that can be as simple as on the weekends. It’s just like play or, or, or learn. but, but maybe on the weekdays [00:14:00] it’s like. Focus or discipline, et cetera, et cetera. And then from there, I can, if I, if I find myself very engulfed in it or, or to Intuit, and I, and I get too distracted by it, I may take throughout the day, sometimes go back into the hammock or outside and take a walk to kind of like receive or, or, or, ask for clarity on certain things that I may be confused about.

[00:14:25] CK LIN: [00:14:25] So zooming out for a moment, this actually reminds me of a conversation I had with one of the guests that Joon Yoon, he’s a hedge fund manager, managed billion dollar hedge fund, all of these other things. He may a very, strong point of saying that he doesn’t make any schedule for him. He doesn’t plan.

[00:14:46] Like months out. He doesn’t plan two weeks out. He is very much a, what am I going to do today and tomorrow? And kind of a guy for him. So because he, he’s asserting that. When [00:15:00] I have more space on my calendar, then I can follow my intuition to do a certain thing. Versus if I plan weeks and months out, then you know, my entire, mental spaces is jam packed with stuff.

[00:15:14] I have no room. So would you say you’re very similar to June that way in terms of managing your calendar and time.

[00:15:23] TIM SAE KOO: [00:15:23] Right? So for me, at this part of my life, in this part of my journey, very much so aligned with that. Previously in past part of my journey was the complete opposite of that. And so when I hear, when I hear that kind of response, I don’t think there’s a right or wrong.

[00:15:37] I think it’s where you’re at in your journey. What are you, what do you want to create more in your life? Do you want to create more structure in your life or do you wanna create more flow in your life? You know? That’s why, that’s the beauty of the yin and the yang, right? It’s like balance is the ultimate and the beautiful thing that we all get to experience.

[00:15:51] Because if you sway one way too much, I mean, that’s why you see a lot of. You know, people and hippies get called Lulu. But then if you flip on the way end, which is like [00:16:00] very grounded and, and, agnostic or, or whatnot, then you’re going to be called like, too, too, too, too much in the matrix. So it’s like, it’s like, where are you in your journey?

[00:16:10] I ask myself where am I in my journey that, that then I want to create more of or invite more of something new that I have not, being able to experience yet. Yeah.

[00:16:19] CK LIN: [00:16:19] So it’s, for you it’s more of a seasonality or,

[00:16:23] TIM SAE KOO: [00:16:23] for me it’s very much so, very much so at this moment in my journey, very much like, like what your guests was saying.

[00:16:28] Like, I don’t plan ahead as much. and that’s why even when I traveled to different countries or different areas of the world, I’ll just ask myself like, where is it exciting for me to go explore right now based on the stories I’ve read or people I’ve spoken with? And then I’ll just make a call and go there.

[00:16:45] CK LIN: [00:16:45] Okay, cool. So let’s, let’s bring this lesson, these analogies and metaphors to someone who’s watching, who’s listening right now. This is a very unique time in our lifetime. Right? For some people who is 60 70 [00:17:00] 80 years old, they would say, they have told me that they’ve never seen anything like this where everyone is at home facing this pandemic, this virus, and it’s impacting all areas of life, a relationship, career, parental, physical, everything, everything.

[00:17:18] So it’s very, very unique area of a period of their life. So therefore. Bring this to them, someone who’s watching this, what would you say to them when they are reinventing, let’s say, their business? So that way they can take whatever lessons they learned here to go out and practice and experiment.

[00:17:38] TIM SAE KOO: [00:17:38] There’s a practice we do, in our, in the work that I do, after, after a retreat that we finished, you know, it’s, it’s. Sad and labeled as many by many. It’s like a 10 year vision, but let’s break it down even easier, which is, let’s call it a three months vision and a 12 month vision. And this vision, the, the biggest opportunity [00:18:00] that you get to change from what you may have been.

[00:18:04] Learning before I’ve been told to do this before is to come from a place of your heart and feeling into, these dreams and aspirations you intend to create an invite into your life. So what I mean by this is like, pull out a, or creating Excel spreadsheet, put out a three month, 90 day and a 365 day, them.

[00:18:26] And in each of these columns you have about seven categories. Which entail, your personal life in terms of like relationships with your friends and family and your romantic, your, your community, your work, your finances, your hobbies, et cetera, et cetera, whatever, whatever place in your life, places in your life, you, you are willing to, to make a change or, or open to make a change for.

[00:18:49] And then in the 90 day column you. Well, actually before that, what we do is we actually write a journal to ourselves. Men call it one year from now. We [00:19:00] can start one year from now and in this journal, you, you address to yourself like what is, what has changed? You use language that has already manifested.

[00:19:09] And that’s very powerful because words are creative. And so whatever words you use and you really believe in your repeat to yourself is, is a very powerful practice

[00:19:19] CK LIN: [00:19:19] you talked about, that’s a powerful principle you share. So Baca, one sentence and say that again, please.

[00:19:24]TIM SAE KOO: [00:19:24] Well, to retract myself, I would say thought is creative thought is creative.

[00:19:29] Which words are the actions to, to start to make that happen. So any thought one makes. Has the power, or is the foundation too, and has the power to create that thought. so it all stems from the thoughts and the, the, the, like I said in the beginning of this, the biggest opportunity to shift, in this practice versus maybe other times that you heard is instead of like just a thoughts, maybe combine it with a feel.

[00:19:57]and that’s where I feel like maybe, maybe a lot of [00:20:00] people miss or just weren’t taught or wherever adviser told, which is. You know, I always, I’ve, I’ve learned is, in my pasta. It’s one thing to like, know something conceptually in your mind, but it’s a whole different ballgame in ballpark when you feel it in your body, right?

[00:20:16] So imagine for example, the last time you had a heartbreak, you feel it in your body. Like, you know what that feels like and you will do anything it takes to not feel that again, but it’s not that you have to store it in your memory, it’s in your body because you remember it. And so in any situation that happens, again, you will feel it and you’ll know what to do to either avoid it or change that.

[00:20:39] Similarly, you can apply that in this one year vision in the journal, which is. if you can really tap into this place where you really believe one year from now, this has manifested, this has been created, XYZ has been happening or has happened, and you reread it every single day to the point where your body really feels [00:21:00] that that exists and that is going to, is happening.

[00:21:03] Has happened. I think the key is has happened. Your body will, we’ll just store that in its own memory. And what happens now is that any day you go about your day to day life, you have a million options to choose from, right? Like go to do this. Go do that. How do you spend your time here and there? What happens is when your body knows and feels what it really wants, and, and based on what you’ve created in this journal.

[00:21:30] It will navigate you or help you be more aware of what choices to make in the plethora of choices we get to make on a daily basis. So after the journal, you, what you can do is then pull up an Excel spreadsheet, create two columns, and have it a 90 day and a one year, and then what you’ll do is start to implement action items.

[00:21:52]and that’s again, where the math. Astronaut you were saying we get to [00:22:00] create, comes into play and after you’ve finished and put out, put down all of those now is where you invite the yang or the surrender of the feminine. Now to come in where you’re going to be like, look, I declare these intentions. I know I’m a creator and I can make these happen and I know that I don’t know everything.

[00:22:15] And actually maybe some of the things I created did come from the mind. And if it did come from the mind, it will only take you so far. And so. Now the practice is to surrender into being very aware on day to day basis, if what signs are showing up that will guide you towards manifesting and inviting what it is that you dreamt of in that one year journal that you created for yourself.

[00:22:38] CK LIN: [00:22:38] So, quick question, quick interjection there, because I would say it’s very challenging to discern the difference between a vision as created by the mind versus. from the heart, right. Any self, why might you say it’s almost indistinguishable or not? So I’m curious to know from your point of view, how do you die?

[00:22:59] How do you [00:23:00] discern? One is more of an egoic driven mind driven, Cerebro driven, logical, driven. One is more of a holistic alignment driven. You know what I mean?

[00:23:09] TIM SAE KOO: [00:23:09] You have one practicing maybe one question to help distinguish that one practice is pull up your most favorite childhood song. And play that in your ears and close your eyes.

[00:23:21] And when that song finishes, ask yourself what it is you’re feeling and use that as a benchmark. To know that that comes from a pure place of love and heart. Because when you were young, you, you were very innocent. All of us were very innocent. I’m not, not so much programmed with so many things that our mind is convincing us right now.

[00:23:41] So that’s one practice. Pull up your most favorite childhood song or even a song that just like makes your heart like melt away. And, and, and then, and use that feeling as a benchmark after the song finishes to, to, to compare. When you write something down, is that, is that resonating in that similar vibration [00:24:00] or feeling in that heart?

[00:24:02] A question that you can ask to distinguish after you, you write something down is to ask, does this, what I just wrote down derive from any programming. That someone might’ve told me when I was young, when a parent or a teacher or a mentor, and if so, do I still believe in it? And if so, then I’d say, I think it aligns with your heart, and if not, then that’s, then it gets a little bit like, okay, maybe you can dive in deeper to be like, if it is attached to some old programming or your ego, then you get to make that choice and you can adjust from that and then maybe just tweak it a little bit.

[00:24:40] That then resonates with that feeling that you had with your heart after you listened to that childhood song, for example.

[00:24:47] CK LIN: [00:24:47] Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. so three, three columns. One is the different categories, 90 days, right? So from your point of view, so for me, I have five [00:25:00] categories. It’s very easy for me.

[00:25:01] So five F’s. I actually learned this from Kevin nation. He, he said finance, fitness. what else? Family slash relationship where I fond and faith. Beautiful. These covers major areas of my life. Right. Beautiful templates and use. Yeah, there are different, again, it depends on your core beliefs. Some people believes using the triune brain as a model, physical, emotional, and then mental.

[00:25:30] So that’s, that’s their model. Three categories

[00:25:32] TIM SAE KOO: [00:25:32] for you. What are some of the major categories that you think about? Yeah, let me pull it up. I actually have it here. It was a health, which is physical and mental, self image, intimate partner in relationship, family, both present and future. hobbies and activities, which is we Cove into your fun.

[00:25:53] My friends or my community, my spirituality, my finances, my work and my living [00:26:00] environment.

[00:26:01]CK LIN: [00:26:01] Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Living environment. That’s another thing that’s, that’s huge that most of us don’t think about.

[00:26:08] TIM SAE KOO: [00:26:08] And so now you can list, you can list all those categories down and then write that journal entry.

[00:26:13] And I just want to just say one thing I’d love for you to move on as well. The one thing I think is beautiful is that. Like you said at the beginning, this moment we’re going through is very similar. If those who have gone through a ceremony, it is a ceremony. Right? And, you know, in my work, we go through these, these sacred ceremonies, and then we give this exercise for them because it’s kind of like a rebirth of, of, of some crazy, unexplainable, ineffable experience.

[00:26:39] That’s sort of like rewires your brain and, and just challenges everything that you’ve, you’ve come to know, and this is exactly what’s happening right now, where we’re, we’re having so much time to dive in in words. If you give yourself the opportunity to, you have the opportunity to like,

[00:26:56] can I model this? It’s getting thrown upside [00:27:00] down right now. And so this is that perfect opportunity. As soon as you can really see that and put it together. To, write that one year journal entry and then translate that into that spreadsheet afterwards,

[00:27:12]CK LIN: [00:27:12] I would say, Hey, here’s actually something that’s comparable or parallel.

[00:27:18] Perhaps it’s very difficult to have a clear vision or compelling vision during ceremony cause they’re in the middle of it. Hence experience. So, so, so do you help people who are going through this. You know, very intense experience, whether it’s professionally, financially, financially, relationally. Because your coop them the house, right?

[00:27:41] You’re dealing with, you’re staring, your partner read a lot of friction happening, so, so very challenging time. So. How do you help them deal with that adversity and then, and then come up with a vision that’s compelling. That’s, that’s very cerebral as well as hard center [00:28:00] align.

[00:28:00] TIM SAE KOO: [00:28:00] So if we take this similar analogy in ceremony, and this is, we’re still going through a ceremony right now.

[00:28:08] You know, you take it back to the practice of a traditional sacred ceremony, which is you go in with an intention and you receive where you, you open your hearts to receive you. You practice meditation to quiet the mind or be able to stay present, to then receive, answers and signs from all around us, whether it’s from people that we talk with that we’re staying in quarantine with or sitting out in nature with the grass and putting our hands on the ground.

[00:28:34] And just asking. So I’d say right now is a perfect time to just be asking questions,  answers or just be open to the possibility to receive answers from outside our mind. And then take down those notes and just log them down. And when you feel like you are coming out of a place where maybe it’s the end of the core and maybe it’s next week where you feel like you’re in a much better spot, we’re able to come out the other side or [00:29:00] see the light.

[00:29:01] That might be the time to like review your thoughts and your notes and what you received and the and the answers that you received from some external source to then be able to piece together this journal and this spreadsheet after. .

[00:29:13]CK LIN: [00:29:13] Okay, so let me recap a little bit. So we render, receive, don’t make whatever thoughts or emotions come up wrong.

[00:29:22] Just just, just be open with it. Just receive and take notes, right? And once you’re at a more center spot, more grounded spot, then you can revisit the vision and really help concretize like, Hey, how do I feel about this vision that I have.

[00:29:38] TIM SAE KOO: [00:29:38] Exactly. Yes, correct. And again, at the end, at that point, just remember, you have the choice to believe anything you want.

[00:29:45] There’s a powerful quote. It’s like what you believe you become. So at that moment, you have that choice of like believing option a, which is what you saw and felt and received. Or option B, which is more of a grounded perspective. And maybe you’re not ready to invite that kind of perspective into your life right now. [00:30:00]

[00:30:00]but you have the opportunity to choice, to, to believe what you want, and then make that, be conscious that you can make that. And then run with it. Am I beautiful?

[00:30:10]CK LIN: [00:30:10] again, I want to make this very actionable. So I, so I wanted to hone in on this even more. So say now I have a vision, then what? and there’s many different opportunities, the mechanisms to help me bridge that vision between now and.

[00:30:26] The future. Right? So do you have any suggestions on ways to brainstorm on the opportunities and then find the one that’s most suitable for.

[00:30:37]TIM SAE KOO: [00:30:37] Absolutely. So I liken it to my own, my own journey so far where I’ve received this, like Annette, ineffable, unexplainable vision that I would never experienced or expected.

[00:30:50] And it was this vision of like after my tech career, I would go. Take everything I’ve learned and go [00:31:00] create a campus for alternative healing where you’re bringing facilitators of alternative modalities and bring people who have tried, you know, traditional medicine to come here and do that. And on the way, this is before your 100 experience or that’s correct.

[00:31:17] This is before my exit exited, actually six months before I sold my company. Oh, interesting. Okay. Your mind sort guiding you towards that healing journey. Say like some, some spirits, some greater source guidance towards that. And and so, okay. So when I say that, because when I think about that, or I remember I’ve dropped myself back into that moment, I’m like, I’m a tech person, right?

[00:31:43] Like I’m a startup founder on the startup junkie. Like I’ll go create more web apps or technology startups. That’s what I’m focused on. And that’s what I’m good at.

[00:31:55] Do deep my heart that this was the path. And I was like, okay, how do I, how do I [00:32:00] go about this? Right? So let’s say you have this vision and you’re like, how do I even go about this? The, the, the, the word is integration, but the tactical, piece is small commitments. So what are tiny micro commitments?

[00:32:13] Just small actions that you can take. And if that’s still too much, make it even smaller. So for me, it wasn’t like, Oh, let’s go my co. like, it wasn’t my commitment to go find, you know, land and go find retreat centers or this and that. My commitments of the integration phase was, let’s go talk to people about it.

[00:32:36] Just my friends, people who would understand what I’m, what I’m going through. Maybe someone who, maybe has a similar vision that I’ve, I’ve spoken with and that’s exactly what I do. And so I just, I started talking to many different friends who either spoke a very similar language of this world, but I’m, you know, stepping into, at that time, or in a world in a, in the world, like, you know, be able to understand transitioning.

[00:32:59] And [00:33:00] lo and behold, after one conversation with one really good friend, he introduced me to the people of the cofounders of the organization and part of Malcolm alcohol called one heart. And that’s kind of unraveled the way it is. The main point here is. The key word is integration. A tactical action item is.

[00:33:18] Small micro commitments. And that can be as simple as like your daily eating habits. It could be as simple as like, you know, things that you find unhealthy that you want to get rid of, whatever it is, but find like, like you can like understand what that vision is, but like work backwards to be like, okay, what would it take.

[00:33:35] To do that, what would it take to do that? If that’s still too much from you right now based on where my finances are or where my life is and my commitments are, let’s take an even smaller and smaller and smaller until you can get to like one core commitment that you can either make on a daily basis or on some habitual basis, some repetitive basis.

[00:33:52] Because there’s, as I’ve learned, there’s essentially two ways to make. A change in your life, which is either through hypnosis [00:34:00] or through repetition. And so you’re, you’re creating a, a small micro habits to commit to, to then repeat over and over so that it becomes such a natural behavior or such a natural part of your life that gives you one step closer to activating or manifesting that vision that you have.

[00:34:21] CK LIN: [00:34:21] There’s a phrase in Chinese, I’m sure you have heard of it. You know, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, right? I think it was a Stanford researcher, BJ Fogg, who said, if you want to train himself to, with a habit of flossing, start with a commitment of one tooth. Yes, so if you just do that, chances are you’re not going to just floss one tooth.

[00:34:47] You’re going to go overboard. You’re going to do it all a thing. One tooth.

[00:34:53] TIM SAE KOO: [00:34:53] Exactly. I love that. And that’s, that’s where I think our behavior gets to start to change and then [00:35:00] adopt, and then that’s where that transformation starts to happen. 

[00:35:05] CK LIN: [00:35:05] so bringing into someone who watching this entrepreneurial or otherwise, right, they may or they may be.

[00:35:12] Reinventing their business, they may be starting a business altogether because their events business is long gone. Yeah. And they’re seeing a huge need right now for, let’s say, PPE, personal protective equipment and mask, facial mask and things like that. They’re seeing, all right, so supply chain issues are seeing our, Oh, we need new designs.

[00:35:34] They’re seeing just a huge mass over here. Right. And if you. So that’s a currently in quote unquote challenge and also an opportunity at the same time. How would you help them narrow down their commitment? So the one thing that I hear you say is just go and have conversations with people who are thinking,

[00:35:55] TIM SAE KOO: [00:35:55] but let’s bring this more tactically in the business world, because that’s still, let’s be honest, where my brain lies a [00:36:00] lot of times anyways.

[00:36:01] Right. Perfect. so, so, you know, just some backgrounds, you know, the company I’m a part of is a travel events, retreats business. And with all flights being barred and, and, and borders being closed, we’ve had to completely press the pause button. And so we’ve had to put into action what we’ve been talking about in preaching and teaching.

[00:36:22] And so we have to make some pivots as well. And so, you know, when I think about, okay, you realize that something has paused and you need to make a pivot, What we committed to, and this was hard. And I, I’m thinking back and I’m like, yeah, I was hell of a journey. The commitment was first and foremost like this, this belief that

[00:36:50] some changes in pay. That’s number one is you gotta cut out.

[00:36:55]CK LIN: [00:36:55] Leave what? So say it again.

[00:36:58] TIM SAE KOO: [00:36:58] Number one is like, [00:37:00] believe that change is constant. So this, this you’re, you’re going to have to make a change. Like holding onto something is just the worst thing you can do right now. If we just kept holding onto our business, believing that borders are going to be open and it’s something outside of our control, I think it’s just doing us a disservice.

[00:37:15] That’s number one. Number two is like coming with an open mind and open heart to brainstorm what are the capabilities and ideas. And we can create with the given resources, the given strengths and the given people that we have right now. And that’s exactly what we did. But that’s where the hardest part was, because that’s where a lot of people are like, let’s go do this.

[00:37:38] Let’s go do that. And then you have to find the alignment. And that’s why number three is like this commitments to remembering what your mission is and what you want to bring into this world. And not get so caught up and not saying, you don’t need to consider this, but not get so caught up in like pure profit.

[00:37:59] And [00:38:00] so and so. That’s the hard part though. I get it. I get it. That’s exactly what we went through where number three commitment was like stay aligned and in integrity to your mission. Because the more you do that, the more your customers, more your audience and where community will feel and see that to then really want to support you.

[00:38:17] If you’re reacting from a place of fear of like, I need to make payroll right now, which I understand some of you do. The fun challenge I invite is how can you still create a solution that allows for alignment to the mission and is a financially sustainable? And so that was the tough journey we went through.

[00:38:36] But so I’d say those are the three kind of steps we took in terms of micro commitments. And it wasn’t anything we had to do more than it was what we needed to be. And what we needed to to to stay aligned and an integrity with. so, so those are some, some tactical ways that we approached it. So from there, let’s actually make it even more concrete.

[00:38:59] CK LIN: [00:38:59] If you don’t mind, [00:39:00] you have a conference call. You just basically get present to in black and white. Our commitment. Oh, cool. Competencies. Here are the opportunities and used all those things as a filter to see what arrives in the end. Really? Is that what you guys did?

[00:39:16] TIM SAE KOO: [00:39:16] Yeah, so literally step by step, what we did was we had an emergency meeting calling out for what it is being like.

[00:39:23] Things are stalling, things are stopping. We had to sort of press pause on our core business. And look, we have option a, which is like, just write it out and not do anything or option B, do something because we have the capability and time to do so. So we only went with option B. Then after option B was chosen, it was like.

[00:39:40] Okay. What are our ideas? And we have a person who’s really, really, his super power is coming up with ideas. And so we really leaned on him as well as a team to kind of like filter down some ideas from like five of them to like two of them and the two and finally to one of them. When we’d have alignment in that one idea.

[00:40:00] [00:39:59] What we then do that is obviously like virtual, that is financially sustainable, that is aligned to the vision and the mission of the company, and we believe that the customers or the audience would actually very much benefit from that. Then what we do is we start to make, action items on how do we quickly validate this?

[00:40:18] And that’s where the whole lean startup methodology comes into play, where you can be like, okay, who’s the customer we need to get. Let’s go do some development with them. Let’s go, present this to all parties that need to be, in the decision making for this to actually happen and be validated and then finally get to lunch.

[00:40:35] So we’re at stage three. The next phase is actually to launch it, but that only took like maybe 10 days total from start to finish. It was a brutal, it was a brutal 10 days, but I mean. Because I’ve had, you know, in many of us are business owners and because I’ve had a business owner owning experience, I mean, you have to agree that whatever worked in [00:41:00] the past a month or two months ago, and you’re stalled right now.

[00:41:04] Like to believe right now, that’s something all of a sudden will change. It’s just not, hope is not a good strategy at this moment. So let’s bring a tactically to like commit to those three things I first mentioned and then follow that step by step process to actually put into action what you can do.

[00:41:22] CK LIN: [00:41:22] Yeah. I want to bring in an analogy of, you know, houses on fire, right? And hoping and praying that God or Jesus or whatever you believe in to say, take care of the fire for you is not a good idea. It’s not a good strategy in a tactical way. So still have your faith and at the same time take some action to dissolve and resolve this fire happening.

[00:41:45] That’s what I’m hearing from, from what you were saying. So surrender. At the same time, and

[00:41:49]TIM SAE KOO: [00:41:49] I have another version. I have another analogy. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Please. There’s a way that maybe also be able to see this, which is, if you ever heard of be, do, [00:42:00] have, right? So a lot of us as entrepreneurs like to do this thing where we have, where we follow, do have B, which means I’m going to go do all these things cause I’m reacting cause the pandemic’s happening.

[00:42:12] So I’m going to do all these things right now to then have some money to then be safe. Let’s flip that on its head, which is, let’s start with a B. So let’s like. That’s be at peace. Knowing that and be accepting, knowing that things are changing. Be unalignment, be in integrity, like be, and then fill in the word and then really like believe that and like live in that.

[00:42:35] Then that will help you unravel what it is that you have to do. Right? So like, okay, now I’m in alignment. Now I’m on that piece and I, I’m accepting. I’m going to go create something that comes from a place of more peace and love versus fear and anxiety and scarcity that will allow me to have the abundance that [00:43:00] comes from that as well.

[00:43:01] So there’s this mixture of like, yeah, you get to be it and tap into spirit and, and some higher, greater power and source to get into that beast state. And then it is still a part of us in living in this three D reality in this world right now, to take action, to do something with it. And then to have and receive your, your fruits that you there.

[00:43:22] CK LIN: [00:43:22] Are there any frameworks that you use to help identify once core competencies? One superpower and ask that question because if is something that you, a skill set that you have home over time, it’s effortless for you, right? So it’s hard to see it because so easy for you. Fish, the waters, what I tell people.

[00:43:46] So are there ways, I know the three of you or the entire company got together and start, you think about sort of the core competency, superpower question, but are there other ways to really help whoever is listening to this right [00:44:00] now really hone in on the core competency, the core superpower that they have?

[00:44:05] TIM SAE KOO: [00:44:05] Yeah. There’s these questions that I usually ask myself. one is go to like your three most. Trusted best friends or people you can just go to for any issues or challenges and just be like, Hey, what do you see that I just really enjoy and I’m good at? Like, what would you come to me for help when you’re facing that just asks like three,

[00:44:29] CK LIN: [00:44:29] how do you make sure that they don’t tell you things that they think you want to hear?

[00:44:34] TIM SAE KOO: [00:44:34] Qualifying them. You know, qualified, that’d be like, give me this. Give me straight up. Don’t bullshit me. Like I’m, I’m at a point in my life where I need the honest truth because I’m going through a transition. And your answer will greatly benefit and, and influence the choices I make. So I need you to come from a place of truth and heart and love.

[00:44:55] And no matter what you say, I’m always going to receive it from a place of love. And look. Maybe [00:45:00] sometimes they won’t know and that’s okay. Or they’ll be like, well, actually you don’t have anything that I would come to. Then, you know, then that’s a time maybe to go explore a new skill that you really enjoy.

[00:45:09] But let’s say they do, let’s say they say something and. you get to practice that two more times, maybe even five more times with the five closest friends, and then see what pattern emerges. there’s going to be a pattern, based on these five people, three to five people that you, that you talked to.

[00:45:25] For me, it was like marketing specifically around like content, specifically around community. And I was able to see that. And then when I asked my, the second step is to ask yourself like, does this resonate? Does this resonate to a point where. I actually very much enjoy it to the point where I lose track of time where I don’t even want to look at time because I’m so enjoying it.

[00:45:49] And do people really receive value and enjoy my, my creation. For them. And so those are some of the questions I would ask from from there. And you [00:46:00] can start with your cofounders or your business managers or your top executives because they’re the ones who are always kind of being near you, watching you or, or working with you.

[00:46:10] So that’s what I would say is like one very easy tactical way to find your superpower. The last one, the other ways on the flip end is to ask internally. So it’s a fuse between the two questions of like. What do I love and what do I know I’m good at? And maybe you can dive in deeper of like, what am I good at is related to like, what do I not feel as work?

[00:46:33] And that can be translated into like what I would just work for free for, you know, and, and there’s these, there’s these ways you can keep asking.

[00:46:46] Okay. I would work for Gibson to teach them how to community, like nurture community. Yeah. I really enjoy that. And I would do that for free. And that’s because I’m so confident in myself that I will be able to provide value for these people and I actually really enjoy it and I don’t want to be charged for it.

[00:47:00] [00:46:59] And for example, and then, and then from there you can be like. do I really love it? Do I, do I do? I find myself, again, not looking at the time, do I find myself, when I look at the time, two, three hours have passed all of a sudden. And so that’s, that’s another way of feeling what flow can feel like.

[00:47:17] CK LIN: [00:47:17] So a question here on the monetization aspect of it.

[00:47:21] I love it. I’m good at it. It’s effortless for me. I so enjoy it as timeless. Then how do I make a living to sustain and support myself and doing this? Because it may be totally, I mean, this whole thing of virtualization, I, I, I will get more perhaps tactical with you guys on what you guys are doing now, if you, if it’s okay to share is, is how do you, this virtualization is new.

[00:47:50] People are experiences. New behavior for most people, for, for us is, you know, we’re used to it, but for most people’s view, so that how do we [00:48:00] charge to support ourselves?

[00:48:04]TIM SAE KOO: [00:48:04] I think there’s a lot of ways, depending on where your, which company or what industry you’re in. But, the first thing that comes up is a truth that I’ve come to believe in my startup days, that your business model is always a living, breathing.

[00:48:18] Creature. It’s, it’s always evolving what you believe as the exact model, whether it’s a subscription model or a onetime payment, or you know, $10 right now versus $500 later. It’s always going to be evolving. So you, the best thing to do is to make one hypothesis of what the monetization strategy can be and push it out.

[00:48:41] So if it’s a. $5 a month subscription for whatever business you’re in right now, or if it’s a $500 one time fee right now, what’s going to happen when you launch that out and you get rid of, you get money. Maybe you’re onto something and you can keep tweaking it. If you’re not getting any money, there’s something [00:49:00] inherently not connecting well with the hypothesis of the model.

[00:49:03] You create it. So in this case, let’s say you said $500 one time fee. You’re not getting anyone to pay. Then what I would ask you is, are you targeting the right audience? Is the right audience? And then, and then from there, if so, are you positioning your value properly? I mean, that can go into all these different discussions, but the main point is your business model is going to always be evolving.

[00:49:25] So the best tactical advice I can give is like. Name one hypothesis right now that you believe could work, and the more you can get that out tomorrow or in the next hour, the better. And if something’s not working where you’re not receiving the money, then you get to tweak it by asking yourself, or even asking your friends who may have signed up or just on the verge of signing up or your customers, why didn’t you sign up and just go talk to them and then they’ll give you your answers.

[00:49:54] CK LIN: [00:49:54] Well, if it’s not too. Private. What are you guys up to?

[00:49:59] TIM SAE KOO: [00:49:59] Sure. [00:50:00] I think I give some some, some insights. So, yeah. our original business model is a retreat business. So we have an eight week program, one week live experience that averages around $5,000 ticket item. and we can nail down our, our target market, we can nail down our value proposition, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:50:18] So that’s, that’s working. Now when that’s all frozen in pause, we’ve got to think like, okay. What can we do? So we looked back in our mission statement and the mission statement States, we are here to elevate heart leaders, lives, work, and community. The lives have been focused on the, the, the, the retreat product has been focused on the lives.

[00:50:37] So then now we’re like, okay, can we, can we work on the next part of the mission? Which is the work. The work aspect of the people we work with. And so that’s where we started. And again, that’s where I said like, you know, make sure you’re, you’re being in alignment to the mission and providing value. So from there we’re thinking, okay, can we create some model.

[00:50:58] Where [00:51:00] we, accelerate one business and we get a task force from all our alumni who have, who have birthed, who have come through the journey through our retreat, who are business leaders themselves and like go all in on one company. And accelerate them as fast as possible through network introductions, through, knowledge, knowledge based transfers through mentoring, through XYZ, you name it.

[00:51:25] We have 200 alumni. They each have their own superpowers they have identified in their lives. They’re on a level of consciousness that’s a little bit more aware than they were previously. So they can speak a similar language. There’s an apparent VAT.

[00:51:41] doing, how can we find a business model, a financial model, that will match that? And so what we’re thinking is how can we maybe combine, either, a fee directly charged by the company? And we’re like at this accelerated task force to do that. [00:52:00] Or we raise money, from our tribe. From our alumni to fundraise for this fee.

[00:52:09] And the, the investors would get equity in the company and that goes directly into our business model to pay us sustainable.

[00:52:18]CK LIN: [00:52:18] I see. It’s very good. Excelerator model. Basically. I love that accelerator model and the financial business model is. Is supported by our tribe or our alumni who are either investors or super angels that would, would still want to invest in a company, but instead of using the money for traditional hiring or traditional marketing, that maybe is not make sense right now.

[00:52:44] Invest that funds into back into this, into this community, into this organization who is here to say, we’re going to activate. A chunk of our 200 alumni to accelerate this business. Your value of the equity that you receive in the fund that [00:53:00] you, that you put in will double or triple or whatever value increased, and so there’s alignment on all parties.

[00:53:07] There’s integrity to the mission. And there’s value for everyone to be a part of and contribute. So it’s, it’s, it’s novel, it’s different. It’s, it’s, it may work, it may not work, but it’s, it’s something that’s in alignment. And I think in this time, a cause for like new models to be created.

[00:53:28] So bridging on, our earlier conversations about different categories, different areas of life that’s important to us.

[00:53:35] I think, especially at this time. It’s time to really double down on our core relationships. In your case, this is a tribe that you built up to 200 investors slash. Entrepreneurs. Now, how can you pull resources to support one another as well as, seize new opportunities going for? Is that an accurate recap?

[00:53:56] TIM SAE KOO: [00:53:56] That’s correct. The work [00:54:00] side of our mission. personal life has been very spiritual focus. as I mentioned through sacred ceremonies, and accelerate your personal life in your consciousness and awareness. Now it’s activating the work side, which is a very key part of our lives on a day to day lives.

[00:54:19] CK LIN: [00:54:19] I appreciate that. And I think tactically, people who are listening to this, my friends, tactically, now’s the time to really double down on your advisory board or your personal advisory network. Whoever your best friends are, your business advisors, your executives. Now’s the time to really, you know, pull your, Headspace together.

[00:54:40] As well as going further. If you have a mastermind like one heart, if you have a community of people who you can collaborate with right now is the time to do that. And also at the same time too, you can also broaden that even further. let’s just use the covert 19 as an example. Are there [00:55:00] innovations that you can help address this in mastermind, this together?

[00:55:03] This is, now’s the time. Everyone is stuck at home. They’re bored. They are. They’re looking for things to do. They’re, they’re, you know, they don’t have the normal board meetings or employee issues they’re dealing with. So now they’re looking for new opportunities to create something newly to contribute to this problem that everyone is dealing with right now.

[00:55:23] So it’s. Call them. Call people that you wanted to establish some relationship with. Cause yeah, please.

[00:55:32] TIM SAE KOO: [00:55:32] When you make that call, when you make that reach out, my first, well, my invitation is to not immediately ask. I need your help. Rather flip it on its head and be like, how can I help you? Or how can I support you.

[00:55:48]and, and that’s where that authenticity comes into play. That’s where like, where your heart can really shine and what we’ve been doing, especially with the community. Yeah. Well, we’ll ask for them. We’ll ask help when it [00:56:00] comes, when it’s needed, but until then, how can we keep servicing them? Right? How can we keep servicing our most close advisors or colleagues right now?

[00:56:09] And for us, we’ve been hosting. A weekly zoom calls where everyone shares a skill. It’s like an open digital open mic where it turns into like a, a, a show where everyone shares their talent and their talents are all revolved around some spiritual aspect, some art creative aspect. It’s music I expect. I move.

[00:56:35] Showed you taking him watch and when we’re talking is just bringing the community together, shining the light on them, and then spreading like beautiful arts and skills with each other. And that’s why I say like before asking for help immediately when you call your most trusted network, ask the question, how can I support you right now?

[00:56:58]so that, that conversation [00:57:00] naturally evolves into like, thank you for your support. How can I support you? And that’s where you can bring it out.

[00:57:06] CK LIN: [00:57:06] Hmm. Yeah. To, to your point earlier, call your top customer, your business relationships. And then just provide that space of listening, of basically not trying to give a vice or anything cause minimally that’s, we can all do that.

[00:57:22] Just hold that space of pristine listening. Just allow them to share whatever emotional roller coaster that they’re going through and because that’s a decent thing to do as a human being and now that you’re a top of mind and then you can develop your relationship even further. Yeah. Beautiful.

[00:57:42]So we didn’t actually get a chance to dive deeper into the spiritual spirituality aspect of it. Do you mind going into that direction? So when you were a, very masculine, energetic, Grignon, intentionality, [00:58:00] achievement driven entrepreneur, you weren’t spiritual back then.

[00:58:03] Right? And now you have. Some peak experiences through medicine, journeys and community driven things. Now you’re more special. So how would you define spirituality?

[00:58:18] This is now an important area of life. What’s your definition of spirituality?

[00:58:24]TIM SAE KOO: [00:58:24] I think in the most simple way I’d see like spirituality as like this all knowing, like deep knowing, belief that there’s some greater power.

[00:58:35] Outside of us, that is here for us. That is in the, in the, in, in their role is to support us and our role is to invite that. So that’s how I would most easily kind of describe it from my experience, what spirituality is.

[00:58:54]CK LIN: [00:58:54] And then how do you cultivate or deepen your relationship in [00:59:00] that area, in your life?

[00:59:01] TIM SAE KOO: [00:59:01] And there’s a quote that, one of my, one of the teachers I’ve embarked with, shared, which is the simple line of suspend logic to invites magic. so this idea of like, what if maybe starting the question, what if, there is some greater power out there. What if. someone is watching over me. What if they actually have all my best, best intentions at play here?

[00:59:26]maybe keep, continue asking that question. What if, but the idea is to suspend logic and be like, Oh, that’s, that there’s not enough science to prove this, then there’s not enough this to prove that. And, you know, I’d say like, science is very powerful and it can be definitely balanced with that.

[00:59:41] And in the beginning of time when whatever happens, there was no science and there was so many unexplainable things that happened. That’s, we get to invite that more. And so I think the practice is, being open, inviting, magic, to exist in your life. And that sometimes takes in the form of. [01:00:00] Of, situations that you call a coincidence, but in, in the spiritual realm or in the spiritual world, they call it no coincidence there.

[01:00:08] They call it in perfect timing. And what if you shifted that perspective of coincidence? There’s no such thing as coincidence. and, and more of like a, that was perfect timing for me. And so it’s just these little shifts in your perspective of inviting them magic. I think we’ll be able to cultivate more of a spiritual, exploration.

[01:00:27] CK LIN: [01:00:27] Hmm. I appreciate that. Thank you. So for someone who is listening, watching those and being inspired by your story, what’s one thing? Cause we cover a number of different areas. We talked and we talked about, staying calm, staying grounded, right during this time of turbulence and chaos. We talked about, tactically how to go about finding opportunities. The three columns, right? The categories that, 30 days and 90 days. Then we talked about one of the things we talk about, community, right? [01:01:00] Pivots, pivoting, like very, very tactical things that they can all do. And you’re looking at different opportunities.

[01:01:09] All of that. So we cover, and then now we talked about spirituality. So everything that. We cover? If they can leave with one thing, what would you start them out with? What’s one area of life? One little discipline that they can take on?

[01:01:26] TIM SAE KOO: [01:01:26] Yeah. I’m going to come from a little left field here. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a three words that I’ve, I’ve come to believe is like my life path and almost like what I would title my memoir.

[01:01:39]so that’s why I would say that this is my message, which is a surrendering to service.  surrendering your service. so what I mean by that is we talked a lot about service. I talked a lot about surrender and creating and, and we haven’t talked as much about service, but you know, service and a little bit about it in, in this time right now of [01:02:00] like, approaching every conversation from a place of like, how can I support you?

[01:02:03] How can I stretch you. I’d say even one level deeper in, in that perspective is what if you surrender to service? So I see it as like someone comes to you or you ask the question like, how can I support you? And whatever they say, you just like, okay, let’s go and do it. And, and, and see what that births and see what comes about from that.

[01:02:27] So for example, what if this possibility of you call up your neighbor or someone close and you have a conversation and you ask them, how can I support you? How can I serve as you? I, by the way, love using the word support or service over help. so it’s a little tactical thing there. it levels the playing field for everybody.

[01:02:47]and so when, when, when asked, asking that question be very, intently listening to their, their answer, if they say nothing, you know, maybe even dive in a little bit deeper being like, like, how [01:03:00] can I support you? Just want to ask again. And when they say it, no matter what it is. Fall into the surrender, part of it, and just do your best to make that happen for them.

[01:03:14]because some of the most magical moments in my life has resulted from this idea of surrendering to service. And that’s not to say you should do that for everybody because you know, you get to practice self care and boundaries and reenergize yourself. It just means that when you’re at that point where you feel like you want to and you can, or you’re just bored or lost.

[01:03:38] Surrender in a service can be a very powerful North star to unlock doors, unlock opportunities, and unlock magic that maybe right around you, you’re just not seeing it. And so I think that can take it so many forms, but that’s sort of the, idea or practice [01:04:00] I would invite to, to, to. Practice starting today, tomorrow, tonight with one person and see where that takes you.

[01:04:09] CK LIN: [01:04:09] I love that. Jam on that a little bit more. It’s very easy right now in the social distancing, the quarantine itself, self isolation, whatever phrase you you call it right now, it’s very easy to go down to that emotional downward spiral of, woe is me, my finance, my relationships, this and that in my business.

[01:04:30] Right. But if you’re able to carve out a little bit mental space, a little bit of time and energy to service others, so your focus is on being of service to others versus focusing on yourself, that intrinsically a free yourself up to, for a more mental space, more energetic space as well as you would use, feel good afterwards.

[01:04:55] And in that. Then afterwards you, you, you wouldn’t then [01:05:00] discover something new about that you could be grateful for and something new that you could, that, that you can, you have more space to move around internally after that. So thank you.

[01:05:12]TIM SAE KOO: [01:05:12] I’ll say that. I’ll add to that as a, you know. I’d say service is also a privilege.

[01:05:17] I’m not saying that everyone should be doing it immediately. If you need to take care of yourself or you’re at a point of your life where you need to really focus on yourself, do that. I’m just saying that when you have some capacity, even emotionally, financially, spiritually, mentally, to be able to serve as someone else, pose that question for them and then just surrender to it by.

[01:05:39] Doing what you can to make that happen, some form of that to make it happen. And I think, I think magic will birth from that. Some, some feeling of deep gratitude, some feeling of like, wow, like maybe I can unravel more of my purpose from that because I enjoy going. That’s awesome.

[01:06:00] [01:06:00] LA. Last relationship with someone that, who knows, maybe down the line one year, five years, 10 years from now is going to be the best perfect person you need for whatever situation doing. I don’t know, but that’s where that magic, can a possibility exist.

[01:06:17]CK LIN: [01:06:17] That’s beautiful. Thank you so much. So for anyone who are inspired by your stories and wisdom, your narrative and want to continue follow with one heart.

[01:06:27] And, and also, Tim, you personally, where can they go to follow you?

[01:06:32] TIM SAE KOO: [01:06:32] Yeah. All my social media channels are my name, T. I. M. S. a. E. K. O. Feel free to connect with me. Drop a message so I know where you came from and we’ll probably ignore you. It looks like a spam. So just drop me a message. share what you liked, share what you want to learn more about and happy to connect.

[01:06:49]and then if you want to look more into the organization and part of it’s called one heart, the number one, H. E, a, R, T. dot com and you can learn more there.

[01:06:59] CK LIN: [01:06:59] Yeah. You know, [01:07:00] actually, one thing I did forget to ask you is what do you think the use of psychedelics to help go through this period of turbulence and chaos and the unknown?

[01:07:12] This is a very direct question. I’m just curious to know what you think of it.

[01:07:16] TIM SAE KOO: [01:07:16] I’m not saying that I’ve practiced it or not. but during this time, I believe that the. Intentional, safe, usage and practice of psychedelics can really bubble up and bring to awareness any fears or truths that you have kind of burled deep down and bring that to light.

[01:07:43] Hmm. and whether that’s fear of finances, fear of death, fear of abandonment, or deep truths of like, I really don’t like this person, or I really need to tell this person. I love them, whatever it is. I think this is what, [01:08:00] at this time, one of the most potent usages of, of psychedelics can, can do for one, which at the end of the day is for.

[01:08:10] Your growth in either, you know, a fear or self linen belief that’s unraveled or a relationship you get to cultivate better. when, and using it for those purposes can be very powerful at this moment. Thank you for that. Appreciate it.

[01:08:28]CK LIN: [01:08:28] Yeah. The way I see all of this catalysts are well, catalysts and multipliers.

[01:08:33] If there are certain things that you couldn’t let go of. Yeah. If there are certain, truth that you couldn’t see, yeah. If you can’t get out of the, in your mental construct of reality, this is a good way to get different perspectives. Right.

[01:08:52] TIM SAE KOO: [01:08:52] And little meme out there. his name is Bob. I think what bill said, this is bill.

[01:08:59] Bill [01:09:00] wants to go travel the cat. So bill decisive journey inwards with some psychedelics, be like bill. So, you know, I think, just to throw some humor in it, this is a very powerful way to journey in words. This time is a very powerful journey and words to dive into ourselves, bring out any, challenges, fears.

[01:09:20] Beliefs, constructs that we, maybe have had high hate, hate ourselves away from and, and, and face them and bring them.

[01:09:29]CK LIN: [01:09:29] Mmm Hmm. Well, Tim, thank you so much for being here and sharing your stories, your wisdom, your tactical frameworks with us. Really, really appreciate you showing up and embodying leadership in this time.

[01:09:43] I think a lot of people are going through this turbulence time, this turbulent time, this chaotic time, and you know, we’re looking for the morning leadership, so thank you for showing up and saying yes and help.

[01:09:55]TIM SAE KOO: [01:09:55] You’re so welcome. And if anyone needs any support, feel free to reach out to me [01:10:00] and I’ll do my best is poaching on some way that I can and thank you again for the opportunity.