What type of ancestor do I want to be?

This is a powerful question Marques Anderson asked me in our conversation.

Marques Anderson is a former NFL player. He is the founder of the World Education Foundation and Urban Matrix One. He is also the podcast co-host at Ancestralcyborg.com. He is a thought leader, keynote speaker, and cyborg-anthropologist.


We talked about

  • How he uses his somatic wisdom to make congruent decisions
  • Why the choice of leaving the NFL into the world of futurism wasn’t a difficult one
  • The exact moment when his passion for the NFL left his body
  • The importance of being brave enough to lean into a new identity
  • Using breathwork to achieve desirable qualities instantly
  • How to integrate both the intellectual and somatic life to be in flow
  • How to use precise language to create a powerful narrative to build his ideas
  • The 2 indigenous practices that are relevant to bring disparate cultures together
  • How to leverage technology to transform our fragility to naturally and subconsciously rebuild the earth
  • Marque’s personal practice from visualization, movement, meditation to properly focus his lifeforce in harmony with the earth

Please enjoy my conversation with Marques Anderson, the founder of AncestralCyborg.com

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Wisdom Quotes

I would ask questions and I would listen to my heart. And if my heart actually was beating fast, I knew it was something that I shouldn't actually move forward with. But if I asked that same question and my heart was slow and there was a… Click To Tweet I really kind of lean on indigenous wisdom that I've been able to pattern over the years of the relationality between ourselves and other things. Click To Tweet Over the course of building a trust with someone who is fascinating to you and that you glean wisdom from, you start to formulate new perspectives about what's possible, not only for the business aspects, but just kind of the emotional… Click To Tweet When physiologically all of the passion just left my body, I knew that I needed to make a transition. I knew that, okay, that was a sign for me that I shouldn't be here. Click To Tweet I think is really about a self evaluation and being critical with who you are and what you want to be. And being brave enough to make those hard decisions, to be brave enough, to know that things are gonna work out if I actually get into… Click To Tweet The way that I get in flow now is getting into nature. Because nature is so robust that you have to submit, right? It's almost like a forced submission. Nature is a way that I can really get in contact with what is important Click To Tweet Language is the coding material for our world. If we can get the language, then we can create the narrative that can actually build the thing. Click To Tweet There are no things that are happening moderately in technology that haven't been ideated or performed in some way before in the past. And we can use the current language almost as a Trojan horse to start bringing in some of those ancient… Click To Tweet Personal transformation needs to happen before the technological aspect, because technology is only a tool. It's a representation of who we are. Click To Tweet Ancestral intelligence is indigenous protocols and artificial intelligence. It asks the question of how we get into a place where we're naturally subconsciously building with the earth. Click To Tweet From the natural aspect, I'm always right where I need to be. Click To Tweet What type of ancestor do I want to be? Click To Tweet


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Ancient Wisdom, Modern Technology, and Future Society

Welcome to noble warrior. My name is CK Lynn noble warriors, where were interview multidimensional entrepreneurs about their journey with deconstruct their mindset, mental models, and astronautics. So you can go on and take them and build your business. Your life have more impact than fulfillment. If you have any friends who could use better mindset, go ahead and share with them.

[00:00:20] So they too can benefit from your discovery. My next guest is Marcus Anderson. He's a former NFL player. He's the founder of the world education foundation. He is a podcast co-host at ancestral cybord.com. We talked about how he uses somatic wisdom to make congruent decisions and why his choice of leaving the NFL into the world of futurism wasn't a difficult one. You talked about the exact moment when he's passion for the NFL left his body and how he used breath work to achieve desirable qualities instantly, and how you use and integrate both the intellectual and the somatic life to be more in flow. You talked about how use precise language to create powerful narratives for the world that he wants to create in the two ancient indigenous practices that are relevant to bring this Brit culture together.

[00:01:17]And how do we leverage technology to transform? Ourselves to naturally is subconsciously rebuilt the earth. Lastly, he shared his two personal practices from visualization to movement, to meditation, to properly focus his life, forced to harmonize with the earth.

[00:01:35] Please enjoy my conversation with Marcus Anderson, the founder of ancestral cyborg.com. 

[00:01:41] Please walk out. Marcus Anderson. Happy to be here. Yeah. Thank you, CK. Wonderful to be with you and your audience. So let's actually jump right into it. You have a really interesting background. You went from. Uh, NFL player to now a thought leader.

[00:01:58] And if you can tell us a little bit about that hero's journey. I think that would be really fascinating. Yeah, definitely. You know, ever since I was little, I always kind of imagined what is possible. Um, and I did that through kind of like this personal meditation that I would do and it is before I actually knew what meditation was.

[00:02:17] Um, but ultimately, um, Through kind of seeing in this synesthesia type of mentality, I would piece patterns together. Right. And I think one of the hardest parts for me growing up was being able to articulate those patterns into this three-dimensional space. But as I got older, I was able to really connect my physiological body with what I wanted out of life.

[00:02:40] So for example, I would ask questions and I would listen to my heart. And if my heart actually was beating fast, I knew it was something that I shouldn't actually move forward with. But if I asked that same question and my heart was slow and there was a contentment around it, then I knew that. Um, I could move forward and explore that.

[00:02:58] Um, so kind of using those as my parameters, I came from a family, you know, with athletes, you know, as well as intellects. Um, and then, uh, you know, as I kind of got into college where I went to UCLA, um, I was fortunate enough to play football there. Um, and then I got drafted, um, into green Bay Packers and it was a great experience I played for.

[00:03:22] Four and a half years. And, um, I really loved the game of football, just for all of the things that it brought. You know, you could actually prepare, you can, you know, be I have access to a lot of information. Um, being able to synthesize that information and react, um, was a great experience. Um, but I never felt defined by being a football player. Um, and I know it was something that I enjoy doing, and I was very fortunate enough to have the abilities to do that, but I also wanted to be intellectually stimulated in a way that football didn't do it for me. Not saying that you're not intellectual if you play football, because there's a lot of intellect to get to that, to that level.

[00:04:05] Um, but I think I wanted to combine my freedom with the intellect to actually start to manifest some of the things that I was thinking about when I was younger. Um, and through that, I met a mentor of mine and Denver Broncos by the name of Derek van Berkel. And always like to say his name just due to the fact that, you know, it, I think it's important to really understand the mentors and give them their flowers, right.

[00:04:27] Because they are the ones that almost serve as this connective tissue for us to make these pivots. So, um, meeting him was just one of the best things that happened to me. And it gave me the confidence to actually. Leave the, the F you know, the NFL and start to pursue other things. And I think, um, this was kind of the maturation of who I was as a person, but also kind of following my dreams.

[00:04:52] So I took about a month off. Pause for one moment. If you don't mind, if you can zoom into that moment. Do you, where you met your mentor to making a decision to leave? I'm sure it wasn't as easy as you just like to sentence, like do that now. Right. So zooming on that. And then I wanted to use your journey also as a, as a teaching moment as well, because a lot of people right now are going through the ups and downs and, you know, side-to-side type of shifting they're alive and.

[00:05:23] Whatever may be. So if you can use your journey as a teaching moment, I think would be really, really useful. Definitely. Yeah. You know, I think it's, it's, it's all about. Really understanding what resonates with you. And I really kind of lean on indigenous wisdom that I've been able to pattern over the years of the relationality between ourselves and other things.

[00:05:45] Um, and I think it was important for me to really understand what resonated with me, you know, and really try to find out what that purpose was. You know, why was I here? What was my meaning in life and what was. I to do with the energy that I've been allocated during the time that I've been here. And I've always kind of been on a journey to match that with the things that I'm doing.

[00:06:07] Um, so, you know, when I was playing football, like it was great. I did great. It felt great. But when I met Derek. Um, there, he was actually at, uh, he was working on a project where he was converting a large aircraft, um, into a cargo aircraft. And he was doing all the stress tests and the retrofitting of the doors and, uh, doing all the technical aspects to that.

[00:06:29] So every day after work, you know, I would go visit him and we became okay. Really good friends. And I started to understand that he saw me beyond the football player because he was actually transferring wisdom to me. Uh, he was really kind of taking it as a mentor without saying, Hey, I'm your mentor? Um, he just supplied knowledge.

[00:06:46] And as he saw that, I sucked it up. You know, he continued to, uh, you know, supply that knowledge. And I think over the course of building a trust, you know, with someone who is fascinating to you, um, and that you glean wisdom from, I think you start to formulate new perspectives about what's possible, you know, between yourself as well as the work that you're, that you're doing.

[00:07:08] So I advise everyone to try to find a mentor, someone that you can lean on, not only for the business aspects, but just kind of the emotional transformation that you may be making during that time. Um, having community and kinship is so important to the pivots that you make because you need that support.

[00:07:26] So even if it's not a family member, you know, find somebody that believes in you as a person and is willing to give of themselves to see you succeed. Um, and that's what I found in dark. Um, and I think that's what made it easy for me to make that transition was, um, just his recognition of seeing me as a person.

[00:07:46]So I want to do a quick recap. Um, so he saw you beyond your, your identity as a football player beyond whatever that is. He blamed believe in you and the possibility that you can rise above to whatever that looks like for your future self. Right. So I'm curious to know also, uh, was it smooth sailing or was there internal resistance?

[00:08:08] No, Derek,  I'm not enough to step up too, this idea that I know within me, but I don't, I don't want to admit you that, was there any kind of, you know, inner resistance I, he had to basically hold that space for you in order for you to rise above. Yeah, that's a great question.

[00:08:25] And I th there was resistance, you know, just because you spend your life getting to a point where you're at the top of your game, right. And you want to be respected for that, and you want to be treated as, um, You know, a, a fair participant in all of the work that you've done to get there. So the resistance was like, okay, you know, is the NFL what I'm supposed to be doing?

[00:08:48] You know, they're paying you a ton of money. You know, you're actually exposed to a lot of doors being opened. Um, You know, and is this the right decision if you move away, you know, and I kind of always lean on this. And one of the main reasons why I chose to leave was because I always was fascinated about other things off the field.

[00:09:05] So during the off season, you know, in between workouts, I would get involved in different types of projects, you know, and, um, you know, the year before I kind of really lost the passion, um, you know, one of the GMs from the Raiders actually told me, you know, Marcus, you can be in this league as long as you want, but you got to stop doing all the other things off the field.

[00:09:27] And at that moment, that's when all like physiologically all of the passion just left my body. Um, and. I knew that I needed to make a transition. I knew that, okay, that was a sign for me that I shouldn't be here, but I had to listen to myself. So it was an internal battle. Like, okay, how far do I push this?

[00:09:46] You know, if I'm not passionate about it anymore, you know, but I'm getting, you know, monetary. Um, you know, payment for it. Where's that balance, you know, when, when can I actually make that pivot? So I had to really kind of go through that and that was the resistance. But when I came to the decision and I actually understood that this is somewhere that I wanted to be, um, you know, after football, then there was no resistance at all.

[00:10:11] Like it was smooth. I understood that, but it took about maybe six months to really kind of, uh, consolidate all of those different perspectives for me. If you don't mind again, I want to use this as a teaching moment, because let's say a lot of people are going through their life journey, their, their face change, their circumstance, relational business, health, all these things, right.

[00:10:34] This is happening all the time. However, um, you trusted this inner intuition in spite of not having immediate payoff. Right? So, so some people advocate for, Hey, just follow your bliss, trust your gut, you know,  burn the ship. Right. Which is kind of what you did essentially say, Hey, no, you know, stay or job, get to pay.

[00:11:00] So you can do essentially do a portfolio type of approach. Right. You can maximize the utility of your cash as well as, you know, you have some back doors and so forth. So in some people as, as your GM advise you, Hey, double down on this thing, eliminate the distraction. So if you can, and I share with those, your mental model around how, how you go about doing that even more, I think it would be really, uh, really, uh, illustrated to other people going through this.

[00:11:31] No forks in the road right now. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think it's really about checking in, you know, checking in with yourself, um, and really doing that on a regular basis, you know, because the situation has changed, but it's not necessarily the situations that, um, you know, are. Determining where you are. You know, what I think is really about a self evaluation and being critical with who you are and what you want to be, um, and being brave enough, right?

[00:12:01] To make those hard decisions, to be brave enough, to know that things are gonna work out. If I actually get into my alignment, um, and also brave enough to really suppress the ego, right? Cause we all have these Eagles that identify who we are, who we think we are, but there's also another side of the ego where.

[00:12:18] There's an ego of where society may think you are, right? You know, your friends, your family, your coworkers, like, Hey, you know, this is where you need to be. This is who you are. This is who I've identified you as. Um, and I think having the bravery to kind of break out of those mental models, you know, to where you can create a new, you, you can create new habits, you can create new rituals.

[00:12:40] Um, I think it's really important to give yourself that capacity in order to do that, uh, effectively. Yeah. So personally for me, I was very, I was raised, um, Chinese and raised, you know, Hey, you're a scholar. You know, that that's where your role is. And it wasn't until I actually came across some really beautiful psycho-spiritual tools, personal development tools, which are going to go into a little bit more.

[00:13:06] Right. Um, then, then I can really kind of think about my identity as jackets. Oh, if I can add this jacket is too small for me. Now, this is no longer comfortable anymore. Let me take it off in negative a little bit before I try on this new other identity and so on and so on. And so these type of mental models that actually helps me to temporarily or  amp up my courage and willingness to try on different things.

[00:13:32] Hence why. Nobel warrior podcasts, even though it doesn't really make any logical sense for me at the time, but I'm doing it right. So I'm curious to know what are some of the practices that you had or you have as a way to. Help quell the eco help you take out the different identities, your jackets to try new ones.

[00:13:58] Yeah, no, I love that analogy. Like that is so good. Um, and I think one of the things as humans, what we kind of fear is being dynamic. Right. It's like taking on too much, but not allowing ourselves to be all the things like, you know, we can be an artist and a business person. We can be a business person and an activist.

[00:14:17] We can be an activist and a writer. So all of these things kind of cross merge with one another. If we allow them to, and I think they all inform one another because you set. These tools up, right? So if I need in business, I need some of my art tools. At some point I have those caches that I can actually move into that practice.

[00:14:35] Um, and I think through that, um, is really important too. Um, 88 and see yourself where you're at right now and where you want to be, you know, to really look at your future self, right. And really ask the hard questions. It's like, how do I actually get there? What are the, what are the rules and the regulations that I need to define for myself, because they're going to be different for everybody.

[00:14:56] Right? Some people are really disciplined in the way that they move forward. Some people need a little bit of guidance, but if you can find out where you want to be, then you can start piecing together around you. What, um, You know what you need in order to be successful. So that would drive the change that you want to see.

[00:15:12] Um, so some of the practices that I really got into was really listening to my body, really kind of slowing my breath down, um, in a very physiological way, and then asking, breathing in the things that I wanted. Right. So if I would take a deep breath, I would breathe in discipline. If I took another deep breath in, breathe in humility.

[00:15:32] If I brought another breath in, I would breathe in peace, you know, uh, uh, humbleness. Um, all of these different kinds of characteristics that I wanted to really embody, I would take those words because they have a vibration, right. And you breathe them in. And then as I mentioned before, I would ask those questions and I would listen to my physiological bodies.

[00:15:50] For me, it was my heart for other people that might be their shoulders. It might be their sacral. It might be their chest, you know, but we all have these indicators on our body that will give us an inform us on where we need to be. And if we're actually moving in the right direction. So, um, you know, I think slowing things down, not being so hyper engaged, but then also allowing ourselves to be dynamic was really helped me out over the course of time.

[00:16:15] And then, you know, also the last thing is being patient,  I think sometimes we always want to be something and we never sit in the process of becoming right. So, um, as we are becoming, be okay with. Being dynamic in those aspects and being patient with yourself that the universe is aligning to your provocations.

[00:16:36] Hmm. So you're speaking to a embodiment savant. I, I pretty much, you know, my affinity, my, my default is staying ahead and it's through cultivation and, and some, you know, transformation on two bites for wacky things for me. Oh, okay. You know, the body is very useful and the body is where this 3d dimension material world lies.

[00:16:59] So therefore I better cultivate some skills. Of embodiment. So, um, which is, I think as a professional athlete, it's probably you come from a body perspective, I guess. I don't know I'm projecting, but I'm curious to know what advice would you have for someone who lives in their head typically to get into the body more?

[00:17:20] I like that whole idea of breathing the values. So you can try on that way of being like, really like, visualize that. I love that. Is there anything else, tactically, that you can advise someone like me who's super Cerebro to enter the body more? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think it's really about connecting to the spirit.

[00:17:40] Um, you know, as well as about, I remember sometimes when I was out on the field playing, I would have these out-of-body experiences. For example, I'll give you a rundown, like during the week from like Tuesday to Friday, it would be all about learning your opponent. Right. Watching film, going over the playbook, um, learning the terminologies, you know, learning the plays in this and the strategy for that week and taking in all that information, you know, it would be, you know, week to week, it would change, you know?

[00:18:07] So you had to have process and protocols on how to actually take in that information and yeah. Synthesize it in a way that you can react while you're on the field. And what I would do is like, really prepare, like do the due diligence in order to understand where I want it to be in during the game time.

[00:18:25] Right. So visualizations, how do I actually like see myself? Into this, into this space. So that's more of kind of like the spiritual intellectual side, but then when you're on the field, like that's when I could embody it. Right. And that's when I could feel and textualize and feel the textures of what I've been preparing for.

[00:18:45] But then when you mesh all of those things together, like for me, I even had out-of-body experiences while I was on the field where you just get into this flow state, right. Where you match the mind, the body and the spirit. Right. Well, you're just on autonomous. You'd like one with the universe, you're feeling the energies of around you, you know, you're just reacting.

[00:19:02] You're not thinking, you know, you're out of your head, you really just in your body because you're already prepared. And I think if we can take that into our natural lives, where we do the work, we do the preparation, the intellectual side is great, but then when it's time to perform, we just mesh all of those things together.

[00:19:18] Get into this flow state and really create something special. Yeah, I love that. Uh, my Tyson's famous quote is everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Essentially someone who is so, so stuck with it, to their plan, so cerebral, and then it get punched in the face and you know, like, Oh wow, the body is in shock.

[00:19:39] So, but essentially what I heard you say is, Hey, you have a plan, you do the preparation. And then when you're in game play, Throw the plan out and then just trust the body that you know, that you prepare over time. Could you, um, is there anything else around just a state of flow that you wanted to articulate?

[00:19:58] And I want to emphasize this. I'm talking to you this way. Not because necessarily you're a professional athlete, but I'm speaking to, or other. You know, all my, my, my listeners, my audience who are high-performers interstate, and from my point of view, as a podcast or as a student of this, high-performance putting ourselves into a state of flow is excellent way, easier way to create a life of synchronicity and, and to be up the highest service. So I'm curious to know if you can unpack the, the flow part a little bit more about just how do you put yourself in flow, um, these days, perhaps? Yeah. So for me, the way that I get in flow now to be perfectly honest is getting into nature, right?

[00:20:45] Because nature is so robust that. You have to submit, right? It's almost like a forced submission. You can't control the elements in that aspect, but if you are able to kind of get to that point where you are resonating with the things that are around you, you know, whether you're in a desolate place or isolated place, or if you're in a robust place, you know, like a green forest and then Pacific Northwest, right.

[00:21:08] Um, you can find that orientation, um, and understand your orientation in the larger part of the ecosystem. Right. And if we can feel that for me, at least, you know, nature is the cradle there of all things, and it holds the facts and the resolutions for a lot of our quails that we may go through with one another.

[00:21:27] Right. Um, so the nature is a way that I can activate and really get in contact, you know, with what is important, you know, not only to me, but into this larger ecosystem aspect. And I think what we strip away from the ego that's when we can start to understand what our purpose and what our function really is.

[00:21:45] So, um, you know, sitting in nature, right. Um, you know, uh, for some people plant medicines work, you know, and really dropping in, uh, with, you know, holding a ceremonial type of engagement to expanding the mind, right. And then, you know, taking that and consolidating that into the body. And how do I integrate that into my everyday practices?

[00:22:07] So for me, nature is another way that I can kind of tap into that more, um, ancestral, more universal concepts of understanding and being. Okay. Awesome. I love that. One of our guests, I can't remember who said nature is the ultimate adaptogen. If you're down, nature is going to bring you up. If you're too high, then Richard is going to bring him back down.

[00:22:30] So you talk about nature. Could you make it even more concrete? So  some people like to go bow hunting or some people like to just walk around it. And some people like to go surfing. What are some of your concrete or regular practices as a way to. being partnership with nature.

[00:22:50] Yeah. So I think it's really about setting intention. So even before I go on any hike, I set intention of what I want. You know, I asked, you know, the wherever place that I'm at. Um, You know, to protect me, to guide me, to open up to me, um, and to really leave all of the things that may be hindering me from the best experience that I could possibly have.

[00:23:10] So I think setting my intention before I actually go into nature is really key for me. And then when I'm in nature, it's really about being humble, right. Is really about accepting the things that come from, uh, from nature in order to create the dynamic aspects of how do we relate to this tree?

[00:23:30] Can I take a moment to just stop and look and really reverence in that beauty, not, you know, this hippie thing about being, you know, the tree hugger or anything, which is great. We made tree huggers, you know, but you know, for me, it's more about like the recognition that,  all of the things that are going wrong in the world, right.

[00:23:48] But how many things are actually simultaneously going right? This tree to be, to be here right now, for me to be in communion with this tree or to be in communion with this trail or to, you know, put in a long days of hard work to get to this Alpine Lake, you know, that just opens up into this serene beauty.

[00:24:06] And I think it tests all of these different mechanisms for us of understanding that, you know, how do we just. Be a part and be a be in mesh, you know, with the place that we're at. And I think when we are, are in that, then nature is allowed to open up to us in a, in a really concrete way that says, yes, you are correct, or no, you are wrong.

[00:24:29] And I think we can listen to that. Um, then it would actually open up a lot of things in our everyday life  so, um, I am trained classically as a, as a biomedical engineer, uh, very much a material as reductionist approach to life. And it wasn't until I had my spiritual awakening, plant medicine, all these, you know, spiritual practices for me to embrace, um, the teachings of let's say the teaching or the doubted teaching.

[00:24:57] And then when I won, what I realized is that really there was, there was a lot of words to describe the wisdom behind it. Ultimately it comes down to. Um, being one, going with nature rather than going against nature. That's ultimately what it came down to. I'm curious to know for you, from your perspective as this love for nature always been there or is it, you know, some events happened and have you realize like, Oh, you know, nature is.

[00:25:26] So important as a way to help you individually, as well as help all of us human species to coexist. Yeah, that's a great question. Um, you know, I always looked at nature as a technology, even when I was little, I would look at it as a technology that it had all of the answers, it had everything that we needed in order to survive, to maintain.

[00:25:49] Um, as well as to create new ways forward. Um, and if you think about it, like, you know, the world is, is just that. I mean, there's no other. System or ecosystem that can support human life that we know of right now. Right. So we've almost been gifted, but I also kind of look at it as a technology, but we are a sub genre of that technology.

[00:26:10] You know, the earth actually created us in this kind of grand immune system to do something right. That we have a purpose here that we need to tap into the technology and really start to understand where our orientation is around that. Um, and I think I've always kind of looked at. At that, you know, I would always be outside.

[00:26:30] My sister would be kind of more of in the books, you know, but I'd be outside, you know, looking at, uh, you know, how a Caterpillar, you know, walked across the, the, the driveway, you know, or, uh, you know, how butterflies came seasonally, you know, or, you know, why after, you know, rain, there were puddles in certain areas.

[00:26:50] You know, rather than not. Um, and I think through this, this, this inquisitiveness and this curiosity, I started to recognize patterns, right? And there's are, there are natural patterns within the world that we can gleam on. You know, whether we want to talk about the Fibonacci sequence, you know, or, you know, fractals, you know, if we want to talk about, um, You know, these kinds of universal concepts that start to unfold when we let go.

[00:27:16] And I think at a young age, I started to see it as a technology that creates these patterns that create these systems and these ecosystems that can be tapped into and be mapped over different. Um, you know, I guess schema as, as, as we're approaching, you know, life and whole. I'm smiling a lot because you're using a lot of geeky terms that I don't normally hear.

[00:27:40] Guests, schema structure, fractals revenue sequence. I love it. We dropped in, we dropped in my little nerd, nerd hat. I love it. So ever since he will let, Oh, he had a sneaky suspicion that there's something greater. So, and then, and then now, you know, after your identity shift to step into this role, the thought leader as a, as a, uh, community builder.

[00:28:14] So let's actually shift gear a bit. So what, uh, let's see after your search, cause you'd been on a search for a while at 81 countries, you know, all these things and you have came to the conclusion. Actually, you know what? I don't want to spill the beans. Why don't you share with us, uh, what have you discover after visiting the planet?

[00:28:36] All different places as a way to kind of think about our role as human species, as well as how do we actually live in coexistence with nature? Wow, sure. So one of the, one of the th th th. One of the books and the people that really inspired me also to make that transition during that time was a gentleman by the name of Paul Hawkin, um, who runs project drawdown.

[00:28:57] Um, and he wrote a book around the time that I was making these decisions called natural capitalism. Right. And, um, Ultimately that book was the first book that I really read in depth that I had solutions to some of the world's grand challenges. And I think that really inspired me and almost served as my playbook, um, moving into Europe.

[00:29:19] So when I was in Europe, I was only supposed to be there for about three weeks, but it turned out to be 10 months. Right. And during that time, I kind of looked at it as this research and development phase, where I was, you know, gleaming off of different academia. I was looking at different new technologies.

[00:29:34] Um, I was studying in aviation research. I was doing different, you know, research and development protocols. Um, and I wanted to be able to articulate what I was actually gleaming from all of these things. So I went back and I got my masters and then shopping university, just so I can kind of have this.

[00:29:52] The terminology, right? I think language is the coding material for our world. Right. And if we can get the language, then we can create the narrative that can actually build the thing. And alchemize the thing that we want to see in this world. So I went back to school and then while I was writing, my thesis actually traveled through South America, um, for about seven months, really.

[00:30:14] Trying to understand we've no like kind of large agenda, but really trying to understand what resiliency meant to local communities, what kinship meant to local communities, what regeneration meant to local communities, um, what togetherness meant. Um, and then also, how did they. Survived millennia of, you know, challenges.

[00:30:33] Right. And I think through that provocation, that's what led me to say, you know what? I want to learn more about this, but I also want to give of myself and then the knowledge that I'm, that I've gleaned over that, that year. So, um, I created an organization by the name of the world education foundation.

[00:30:51] And this was really the protocol that helped me to bridge the gap between academic knowledge, uh, modern technology and local, uh, integration. Right. And what I was really mindful was as I was kind of expanding, um, You know, my portfolio of places that I been is like, how can I actually drop down and give something of myself that's impactful for this community?

[00:31:13] Right. I know what I'm getting out of it, which is the conversations and the ability to have, you know, be, uh, privy to all of these new smells and culture and sound and all these things. But I wanted to give back. And so. What I did was I really tried to build trust with the local community and really drop down and understand what their challenges were in a really authentic way.

[00:31:34] Um, and I used American football around that to introduce and to give back to the kids in the, in the, in the, in the communities. And once the elders saw that the kids actually kind of were taking to me, that's when they started opening up. And then that's when we can start to get to the core understanding of the fundamentals of the challenges that were approach.

[00:31:55] Right. Um, and through that, for example, our first project was in the Dr. Congo where we, uh, help rural farmers transport this bark called queen nine, or can kina into the main city of Bukavu to be processed into malaria tablets. And from the inception of that project, we were able to create about 400,000.

[00:32:15] Uh, treatments for malaria and create about a hundred jobs. And for me, that was a win. Like for me, that was everything that I ever set out to do was like give of myself, but then also have this impact that's actually changing lives. So, you know, just kind of having that mind frame, you know, while I was, you know, going through these countries, um, where.

[00:32:37] I needed to show up authentically, um, to them to be in service and almost the service leadership aspect, um, then that, you know, really kind of brought it full circle for me. Mm mm. Mm. So I'm curious because this is that's, that's one approach to going about it, right? I mean, I'm just putting words in your mouth.

[00:32:56] So to speak, how I describe it is, you know, uh, wherever you are, Plan to see, let a flower bloom. Right? So in other words, you let 81 different organizations bloom, right? Let's let a thousand flowers, bloom kind of approach versus some of the technologists approach would be, Hey, let me figure out what the linchpin solution is.

[00:33:17] And let me scale that, you know, malaria. The vaccine as an example, right? Bill Gates, just let me actually go after a really big problem versus a very localized problem. Cheers. I don't have an answer. This is more of a conversation. So after you've made that impact, and now you're looking at different technology GS as a way to, you know, make it more scalable globally from your perspective, how do you think about these different approaches to, you know, bring that impact that. You know, really all of my listeners desire. Yeah, sure. So during that time at the world education foundation, we came up with this protocol called edge edge modeling and edge. You know, we broke it down into the acronym of E D G E where the first E stands for education, but it's not in the kind of the traditional numeracy and literacy aspect.

[00:34:11] It's more of education of the schooling, right. Of unweaving all of the patterns and habits. That we are familiar with, right. So we can start to understand it and envision a new pathway. And then the D stands for devotion. So this is that ecological learning. So this is when we get back in touch with nature and really understand our orientation to everything that surrounds us.

[00:34:32] And then the G stands for guidance or the, um, ultimately the, uh, relationality, the relational learning. Right. So how do I relate to other things? How do I actually relate to my past and understand where I am now to understand where I'm going? And then the last one is emergence. So this is that experiential learning.

[00:34:54] This is when you actually learn by doing so this is when you bring the community members in, this is when you ideate together and then you actually do the thing together, and then it's not a linear type of process, but as you get to that experiential part, you start over again. Right? So how do I create these new pathways?

[00:35:11] How do I forget the old habits and create the new habits? And then every refinement, it's almost like you're making this quantum shift or this quantum leap to a new state of being right. Um, and I think that was the model that really kind of held and was that the tethering, you know, the mesh network that brought all of these different patterns together, right?

[00:35:30] So this is when you can map ancient wisdom on modern technology and say, there are no things that are happening moderately in technology that haven't been ideated or performed in some way before in the past. You know, and how do you use the current language almost as a Trojan horse to start bringing in some or more of those ancient practices into where we want to go in the future.

[00:35:52] So when you can also see these patterns through deep time, then ultimately you can start to ideate what's possible and start to understand what those levers and mechanisms are in order to create that thing in a real way. Yeah. I, I, I mean, frankly, when, when I saw that you, you sent me a little bit of a manifesto video, basically telling them, you know, what's your vision of the world.

[00:36:16] I love particularly that you're integrating, um, ancient wisdom or wisdoms and a modern technologies and future society, future world-building. Right. So I really love how you're bridging all of them. Cause in my mind, that's how my mind works as well. Yeah, we have, you know, just cultivated all these beautiful things.

[00:36:37] We should bring them together as a way to think about the future ahead. Um, so what are some of the key, we're insuring wisdoms that you have come across where you just say, Oh wow, this is really worthwhile. That's actually incorporate that into and leverage, you know, modern technologies as a way to, uh, think about building the future.

[00:36:58] Yeah. So this is concept out of Nigeria, equal land out of this city about jaws. It's about 11 hundreds, uh, miles North of, uh, Eagle land. And, um, ultimately they have this concept called Ambari, um, and in Bari is, uh, Artistic expression of reverence, right? So a priest would go through the community and ultimately pick individuals.

[00:37:26] You couldn't say no, you know, you had to be involved with this community artistic piece, right. And through this artistic piece, You know, you were part of creating something within the village that for one paid reverence to the place in the earth of the village, but also to the queen of the village. And what I found very fascinating about this is that as we are creating this art, as they were creating this art, um, They created this kinship, right.

[00:37:55] They gave of themselves in a unique way that paid reverence to the, the tight knit, um, uh, community building aspects of the thing with the output of creating something for the collective. Right. So it's like kind of taking this individual, combining it with, uh, with the collective and then creating something from there, you know?

[00:38:15] Um, so in Bari is really about how do we. Take our individual cells because service to the collective and then pay reverence to whatever it is that we're doing. So that's one ancient and two wasn't. You also have the Keck, um, which is, you know, a, um, a Southeast Asian, um, uh, practice out of Bali where, you know, the men of the community would sit together and they would do this ritual of making a noise like ha ha ha.

[00:38:44] Hi all together in unison, it was sit in a circle and they would do this for one to pay reverence. Right. But then also what this would do was take the eye out of it and actually put the we in it that we are all collectively in this together. And I think that's something that, um, as humans we need to understand and that you can see it playing out even here in America, where I'm sitting right now is that we're so fragmented.

[00:39:08] Right. Everybody is kind of in their own kind of. Echo chamber, you know, and having their own, um, way of viewing the world. But you know, around natural disasters or around, you know, these major events, we find a way to come together. You know, why can't that be the norm it's, you know, I believe is that we're not in unison, right.

[00:39:28] We don't do those practices. Um, you know, that the ancients really leaned on in order to create that, that, that collective community. Um, so those are just to, you know, kind of ancient wisdoms. Uh, that I would be, was able to tap into. I mean, there's more, but you know, for the sake of time, I'll, I'll put a button in it there.

[00:39:46] Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you could probably write a book or a series of books to just highlight these wisdoms. So I'm curious to know from your perspective, cause you're a technologist and you know, you embrace technology as part of a way to help you. You know, uh, making larger impacts, I'd say, have you thought about some of these ancient wisdom rituals or concepts and leveraging a modern technology to let's say, you know, uh, built localized communities quickly or, create that sense of connection to the collective whole or anything like that?

[00:40:22] Have you had some of these. Definitely. So, you know, the way that I like to look at it is that the earth doesn't need saving. Right. We need saving. So ultimately I look at it as a personal transformation that needs to happen before the technological aspect, because technology is only a tool. It's a representation of who we are.

[00:40:41] Right. So, if we can kind of agree upon that, then how do we actually change ourselves to create the best tools that are necessary to create the outcomes that we want to see? So what we're doing, me and a partner and some non-salary people, uh, by the name of batter Paris, who was the co-host on the ancestral cyborg.

[00:40:57] Uh, we're coming up with this. Um, uh, this experience, this spiritual experience in the metaverse right. This hyper-reality a metaverse where we're able to go through this five phase. So the metaverse yeah. Sorry is a. The technological simulation of this physical world, right? So it's a digital representation of the world.

[00:41:18] So you can build on web three, which is kind of the next iteration of the internet. Um, these different envision worlds. So if you look at a fortnight. Right. People are building these metaverses where they're kind of engaged in these hyper-reality type of structures with their building. So, um, you know, as we build out these metaverse, we can start running simulations of what is necessary.

[00:41:41] So what we're doing is actually merging a concept called human design and yeah. Um, DMT practices where, you know, we're, we're calling it the, the death or the, the myth of the ego, right. Where we're dissolving the ego, uh, in a way that is hyper realistic. So we as a five phase framework where it's a leave, um, leave breeds, uh, uh, uh, grow.

[00:42:06] Flow and ground and through these kind of steps, what we'll do is go through a practice of deprivation. So kind of taking away the census reorientating to self. So whether it be in this cave, right? Like the Kogi caves, and then you won't be able to see anything. Oh, there's a fascinating thing about the caves.

[00:42:23] And then I'll get back on topic, but you know, a lot of the ancient wisdoms. Um, if you look at the parables, a lot of people would go to the cave in order to have these breakthroughs. Um, and what, the reason why they would do that is because we all have melanin in our body. But if you deprive it from the sun and being able to transfer form that melanin from the sun, then it builds up into our brain and then it dumps.

[00:42:46] And that basically when that happens, it is like a DNT overload. So a lot of the ancient wisdom say, sit into, sit in the dark until you become the light. Right. And that's why we can actually start to formulate these new ideas and that's why they would come out. So we're creating this scenario in a hyper reality space where we're taking the journey or through these dissolving of the ego, to where they start to understand their orientation and themselves.

[00:43:13] So this is a way to kind of embody those ancient wisdoms, you know, utilizing this more modern technology, um, and, and looking at it from a cyborg aspect. Um, being able to utilize those tools in a seamless way that creates, you know, these new models or new ways of thinking. You lost me in the cyborg part.

[00:43:32] Can you say more about cyborg? Why did you use that term specifically? So cyborg, you know, um, before I came back to the U S I was actually living in Norway from 2007 to 2017, but I got selected to be part of singularity university. Um, and through that, you know, I started to really start to understand what cyborg meant, uh, what singularity was.

[00:43:55] So I started practicing and started gleaming off a lot of the wisdom from a woman by the name of Donna Haraway, as well as Karen barod. Right. Um, where they came up with these concepts around new materialism. And this is really leaning off of quantum physics. So for example, when Niels Bohr, he did his slit experiment where he took Adam and he shot it through a slit and he saw that at sometimes others observation.

[00:44:19] It was a particle and other times it was a wave. Yeah. Right. But what he didn't do is actually account for him. So being part of the experiment, so in that, what a camera Berard, and a lot of Donna Haraway with their books and discourse actually talk about is dissolving these boundaries. You know, so that to say, as we are creating technology, technology is also creating us that there is no separation between us and it, right.

[00:44:47] So if we look at it from that aspect, that. Everything is just, uh, an extension of that. So if we look at even the word technology, it comes from the Greek word Techna, which means to create or to craft. Right? So with that, we've always been dealing with technology. Fire is a technology shoes or a technology, you know, but how we integrate with those things is really what actually, you know, kind of creates this, um, This cyborg.

[00:45:14] Right. And it's okay to be a cyborg because when we are a cyborg is a provocation piece to saying that we aren't separate from anything. We are all intertwined in some way, form or fashion. I see. So the, you, you chose that word specifically because are you a believer which I believe as well as doing, you know, not only we create technology, but also technology creates us.

[00:45:36] And I think it great, um, a documentary of the day that actually talks about the impact of, um, Unintentional use of technology is the social dilemma, right? Things are created as a way to optimize our experience that in effect actually make, is making us losing our own sovereignty because we're so, and it also helps divide the nations to different polarized, uh, ways because was designed to.

[00:46:07] Um, placate to, to help us, you know, to entertain us ultimately. So yeah. Beautiful point. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, Yeah. And I think, you know, there's a paper that I would maybe implore, uh, your audience to check out just to kind of check out it's, uh, by this professor by the name of, um, Edwards. And he speaks about, um, indigenous protocols and artificial intelligence.

[00:46:33] And this is really how to lean on the indigenous intelligence to create the systems. Uh, that we're creating right now. And he did like a full workshop out in Hawaii. Um, you know, talking to the indigenous practitioners and elders and actually, uh, the technologists within Hawaii, you know, and seeing how do you embed and preserve the language and the culture and the which rules that have been created over time and really embed those into the technological systems.

[00:46:59] You know? So, um, I think technology can be used as like this buzzword, you know, that we're utilizing right now, you know, but that. AI that I really lean on is ancestral intelligence. Right. Um, and I think, uh, what do you mean. So, you know, as we feel and know the world is undergoing like a global evolution, um, you know, which is really integrating developments in biology, materials, information technologies, really at an accelerating pace, you know?

[00:47:28] So therefore the future of how humans relate to an intertwined with technology integrated machines, culture, and the planet is being defined at this very moment. Um, so kind of after synthesizing my learning through this master program, Um, my curiosity kept coming back to like really two provocations. Um, you know, what are the similarities and differences between community and kinship and what does authentic symbiotic relationship with the planet really look like?

[00:47:58] Um, and I think these questions really kind of provoked larger understandings of. How do we, how do we get into a place where we're naturally subconsciously building, um, with. The earth, you know, how do we actually orientate ourselves with the relationality in which is deemed of us in order to be part of this larger ecosystem?

[00:48:24] Um, because there's nothing in the DNA code that says that we have to be here. Right. You know, there, there, there is a thing of evolution where we weren't always here and then there might've been other civilizations that were similar to us that were here, you know, a billion years ago. Right. Um, but if we can start to understand how we come into deep resonance with the earth, then that's when we become, uh, shameless in being human.

[00:48:48] Right. That's when we can drop all of the info, the fragility of being human, and really start to build on this larger construct that we are part of this larger system. It's interesting. They use the word shameless. Why did you use that word? Yeah, I believe there was a shame, you know, of being a mortal.

[00:49:06] Right. We have a endoskeleton. I mean, if you scratch us, we bleed, you know, um, all of us kind of come into this world, knowing that we may sometime make a transition out of this world, you know, by death or by, you know, uh, you know, Other means. And, and I think, um, that creates kind of a shame or fear that, um, a lot of us don't grapple with, right.

[00:49:32] We don't understand the processes. And so during the time that we think that we need to be here, it's really. Promoting an abstract extractive type of mentality. Right? How much can I take what they're doing within it for me? You know, I know that I'm not going to be here. I know that, you know, I'm fallible, you know, I know that I'm fragile.

[00:49:49] So how do I get as much as I possibly can in the amount of time that I have here? So there is a shame, you know, in being. So fragile, you know, so we create these narratives that we are grander than life, that we are bigger than the universe that we can explore, you know, anywhere and everywhere, you know, because we don't want to grapple with the fact that we are part of this, this ecosystem, you know?

[00:50:12] Yeah. Beautiful. A lot of different directions. We can go. Let's see, what do we, what do we take this conversation that there's a lot there. Um, Well, let's actually talk a little bit about you. You alluded to one practice to, to take the eye to the we, right? the chanting together. And I think in some of your other podcasts that you had talked about, essentially, that's the approach that you're taking on by flipping Maslow's hierarchy upside down, so emerges from the self right.

[00:50:47] Physiology security sense of billowing. Um, self esteems self-actualization and self-transcendence you want to flip them the other way around? So coming from the we first, 

[00:51:01]that's very counter, um, counterintuitive to our survival instinct because our survival instinct is.

[00:51:09] Let me grab mine. Let me take her on my own quote, unquote, family, community, and so on. And so on before I have the extra to take care of others. So I'm curious now, how do you plan to flip it around in terms of the actual behavior change? They want to have within yourself as well as the students or people that follow you.

[00:51:31] Yeah, it is counterintuitive. Um, but then the counter intuitiveness to that is that if there is no planet, there is no me, right. So if we don't deal with the larger ecosystem, then that doesn't set the parameters for us to even be here. So, um, through, you know, as an, as a research over the past years, um, you know, we have understood and kind of synthesize the connections between colonialization capitalism and climate change.

[00:51:58] Right. Um, and we coined that as the ecological triptych, right? So through this trip that we identify colonization as the ego, right. And capitalism is the function that drives the ego or supports the ID in certain ways. You know, whether the resulting consequences is climate change. Right. And if we look at it from that matter, uh, we'll be asking ourselves, what does regeneration mean is really about the reconciliation, right?

[00:52:25] Of the fragments that have been created from our disconnect from the planet. So if we can start to look at the ego aspect of it, what drives the ego and what solidifies the ego, and then the results of that ego, then we can start to break down the ego in a way, or at least the myth of the ego in a way, um, that can.

[00:52:43] Ultimately usher in this new language and maybe take this more counterintuitive way of approaching ideas to more this intuitive way. Right. Really feeling it and embodying it. It's like, Hey, that doesn't resonate. Yes. That resonates. Let's move forward from there. Yeah, I, I, I wanna make it a little bit more concrete if you don't mind.

[00:53:02] Um, the principal, he agree with you a hundred percent. I agree that I see Katelyn is, and then, uh, my choices actually has an impact too. The contribution on climate change. However, because so distance it's so  unreachable, it's very easy for me to say, yeah, you know, my plastic bag purchasing behavior or whatever, it's not going to make a dent.

[00:53:27] So then I can dismiss the pain. Because it's easier before I actually make conscious decision to, as you said, make a contribution towards this regenerative way of living. Right. And so I'm using myself as an example. I'm guilty for sure. So I'm curious now using me as an example, anyone else, how do you actually make that net impact a little bit closer to home?

[00:53:55] So that way they feel the impact. They feel the the cost. Does that make sense? What I'm trying to articulate? Sure, sure. I mean, I mean, we can see it. I mean, the feedback loops are becoming more and more in real time. Right. You know what I mean? We're seeing, um, an increase in sea level rise, you know, we're seeing our polar caps actually being melted.

[00:54:13] We're seeing species actually, you know, disappear at a rapid rate. We're seeing, uh, fires, tornadoes. I mean, California just went through a major. In dry lightening. I mean, come on, you know, like these things have happened in prehistoric times, but they're coming back because of this disconnect. So we're seeing them, we're visualizing them, you know, but there's been provocations around this for hundreds of years.

[00:54:36] Right. You know, about climate change. I mean, I know in the seventies there was a huge movement that was going on around how do we protect our, our climate. So it was not that the, the, the actual. Um, uh, you know, thought provocation is not there, you know, it's there, the technology is there. It's just how the human psyche actually functions around that.

[00:54:56] Uh, which needs to be explored a little bit further. And to your point, you know, I believe that technical systems are also cultural and social systems, right? So every piece of technology, right. Is an expression of culture and social frameworks, right. For understanding and engaging with the world. Right. So technical systems designers need to be aware of their own cultural frameworks, uh, socially dominant concepts and the normative ideas.

[00:55:23] Yeah. Um, and really be wary of their biases, you know, that come up with them, but that's a personal thing. Right. So how do we actually get people to go through that personal evaluation before they create these machines that are actually going to be making decisions for us, but to, you know, to, to kind of connect that to your point, is that, you know, What is the one thing that we can do.

[00:55:43] Okay. All of these brand things like they're they're okay. Right. Uh, quoting these global solutions are okay. But I would implore everybody really right now, especially right now is to go check on your neighbor. Right. Do that one little thing about how can I actually show what for my neighbor, how can I be there for him or her or that family in a meaningful way?

[00:56:05] And if every neighbor was to do that, then ultimately we would start to get this change where we would ID and say, Hey, you think about the same things that I think about, Hey, you know, there's a collective effort that we can make to approach these larger issues. Hey, you know, we have crowdfunding, let's actually put something together that we can get this larger.

[00:56:23] Uh, participation in this, you know, to approach these larger, uh, challenges. So I think it starts very local. You know what you're doing with your, with your own self, what transformation, how are you embodying that with your neighbors? And then collectively we can start to ideate over these larger issues.

[00:56:38] Yeah, for sure. Confucius has said it very, you know, a few thousand years ago he said, uh, self-mastery family country, a world fractal. Right. It starts from the South. Hence why on this podcast, we dive in deep around these micro moments about why Mark has made a certain decision so on and so on because in my mind, um, whatever we build is sourced from our consciousness.

[00:57:06] So my mind is. Fucked up in some way about, Oh, you know, so-and-so, shouldn't be served, whatever I built, what also gets amplified and block out these subset of people as well. So, so hence why this podcast, I don't know if you get a sense already. It's really all about sovereignty, right? Yeah. How do we actually keep that personal integrity going and as well, extending our principle of love and compassion towards such that whatever we built is in.

[00:57:35] The best possible ways to be conscious moving forward because once the ship leaves the dock, so to speak, you know, the founders intent gets lost along the way after that machinery is built already. But let me actually do a counterargument again. Of course. Again, what we're talking about here. A big part of technology.

[00:57:59] My mind is an amplifier and multiplier of that original intent. Right. So hence why I was asking you, I would just make it very direct if there's any kind of incentive built in. That that's in alignment with human nature of self-preservation and that would make it a lot easier to, um, make, you know, synergistic choices as an example.

[00:58:26] Right. So I was curious to know if you have any thoughts in addition to, Hey, highlighting the cost of consumer behaviors, uh, Towards climate change. Is there any sort of incentive mechanisms that you have thought about such that you can do both at the same time? Does that make sense?

[00:58:45] What I'm asking, maybe I can break it down into, or at least try to approach that and then maybe we can unpack it. Um, you know, but I think, you know, One of the first things that, that comes up for me is education. You know, I think, you know, these concepts need to be programmed, you know, into our subconscious at an early age.

[00:59:04] You know, I think through, um, looking at somewhat of neuro science, you know, we create all of our beliefs, you know, Or at least a, a strong sense of personality itself, you know, from zero to seven. Right? So we weren't aware in these informative ages, we have to kind of integrate what is possible and make them subconscious habits in order to just say, Hey, this is how the world works.

[00:59:28] Right. So I think that starts with an integration of education that really starts to play as. This we concept, right? They do it in the indigenous cultures, right. Where they grow up. And in some cultures they'll send their children out into the wilderness or out into nature and they'll fend for themselves.

[00:59:47] And then whatever they're good at, that's what they will actually pursue. Right. Because they understood what their orientation and what naturally came to them. And I think we need to embody some of that in these structures of capitalism that we need to break down these silos of saying, Hey, yeah, This is what you need to learn.

[01:00:02] This is how you need to think. This is what, you know, the structures of, of, of, of, of success look like in order for you to be within the society. Um, uh, and had some type of meaningful life. But if we kind of back up and say, what are the best things that you can actually offer to the world? You know, what are the best.

[01:00:20] You know, skills and, and, and, and, and gifts that you have to give and move from that aspect that I think that can start to make a transition in this larger, uh, aspect of, of what it means to be here. So if you don't mind, let's say, make it a little bit more concrete. I'm going to lovingly challenge you a bit.

[01:00:38] Okay, cool. So do you, do you see it as more like a nonprofit YouTube program or more of a in your hair that's incorporated as part of our. Traditional education system or, you know, F all of that, let's say you created something that's brand new, uh,  that follows this particular philosophy.

[01:00:57] Like, what's your way, since you've been thinking about it for awhile, what's your way as a way to, you know, an entry point for parents. Right. I think it's all of the things that you just mentioned. Right. You know, I don't think it needs to be one or the other, I think it needs to be a consolidation of all those things, uh, where it's practical, intellectual education, you know, and I think there's a lot of things in there.

[01:01:21] You know, one of the things that the world education foundation, what we really like to do was mobilize the solutions that were in the academic space. The technology is there to actually create a equitable world. You know, it's really the motivations and the triggers, you know, that we need to kind of get in line with as a human behavior aspect.

[01:01:38] Um, in order to. Activate those solutions, right? So th the, you know, it is an education piece, but it's also an embodiment piece where we hold ourselves accountable for self, as well as you know, to the community at large. Um, and I think it's also about the narratives in which we create, you know, the stories that we tell that one another, you know, ever since.

[01:01:59] You know, humans have been on this planet, communicating with one another. We've been oratory, people read, shared stories, which ultimately are the coating material for our cultures. Right? So the things that we consume, you know, and when I say consumption, I'm talking about eating, I'm talking about listening.

[01:02:15] I'm talking about watching, I'm talking about embodying. Okay. All of those things are consumption. So being very mindful of what we're taking into our bodies, that actually changes the cellular makeup of who we are as people. Right. Um, I know I'm a Moto, he did an experiment with water where, you know, he had water and he.

[01:02:34] You know, spoke loving affirmations to one bottle and he told disgusting affirmations to the next and the crystallization within each of those actually changed just due to the vibration of what he was saying in the intent that he was saying it in. Um, so I think that, you know, the education aspect. Is is important, but I think it's also the practice that's important for people, you know, to find that thing that they can find as greater than them, that they can pray reverence to that.

[01:03:01] It's, they're getting away from the ego and really doing the hard work of  suppressing the ego, as they're trying to make sense of the larger, larger things in the world. Thank you for that. So, uh, I want to ask you is your personal practices for personal transformation as well as a way to maintain your own sovereignty.

[01:03:22] And before moving to some of the other more of a commercial things that you're doing, is that it is that cool with you? Of course. So, what are some of the practices that you do as a way to maintain your sovereignty your own equanimity, your own consciousness? So they navigate this, um, shall we say chaos of a world?

[01:03:43] So what are the practices that you have? Yeah, so Tega is one of them. Was that any specific kind? Um, you know, so we're, we're looking at, um, Kind of the, the, the, the, so for example, let me run you through one of my practices. Right? So ultimately what I would do like every morning for probably about. A year and a half straight, I would get up.

[01:04:10] And I would like look at a tree. Like I would ultimately find a tree that I could stare at. And I would stare at that tree for multiple hours while the sun was, was, was coming up. And through that, I saw that there was a connection between me and, um, that. That, that tree that connected me to my own life force.

[01:04:37] Right. And then through right after that, I would get into like cheek Kung, um, or cheek gung, uh, aspects where, you know, the coordinated postures of the movement, the breathing and the meditation, you know, I use that to really kind of. Tap into my personal health, but also my spirit spirituality, and then also just movement.

[01:04:59] Right? So these basic movements of understanding, like how do I flow in this space in time from having an orientation that I'm connected to everything, right? And then ultimately gaining that life force and bringing it into my sacred and holding that energy of that, of that ball inside half of me, and then outside half of me, which was another connector of.

[01:05:20] Who I was embodied and then kind of this larger life force that that can be created. So to kind of just bring it down, you know, I would really kind of get into, uh, those aspects of how do I channel my life force? How do I check in with my personal health? How do I check in with my spirituality? Hmm. Hmm. I love it.

[01:05:38] And do you have any practices around plant medicine or anything like that as well? So I'll, I'll share my first. So I practice plant medicine regularly as a way to, um, do a check check in, uh, what is my illusion and what is my truth. So that way, continue to practice that as a way to tap it, tap into hyper-reality so that my practice, as well, as I'm curious to know if you have any like quarterly or annually, uh, type of practices around, you know, I don't, I don't schedule them per se, you know, but I do drop in when I'm called, you know, and I kind of look at those opportunities as a place to really connect and I think, yeah.

[01:06:19] You know, just utilizing as, from that natural aspect, I'm always right where I need to be. Right. So, um, you know, when I drop in with friends, you know, we might, you know, you know, kind of get into some plant medicine. Before we go into the forest. Right. Um, back when I was traveling throughout South America, I was able to, um, be with, and sit with some shamans, you know, in the Amazon, uh, to really drop in and be with them.

[01:06:45] You know, I've done sweat lodges with the Hopi tribes, you know, I've done breathing techniques, um, that kind of opened up the lungs and kind of get us into different, um, you know, meditations and, and ways of being, and thinking and feeling. Um, And I, and I look at it as, you know, it's all about intent. Right.

[01:07:02] You know, so if we do these practices, how do we set our intent to be present with the medicine? Right. So when we set our intent, you know, then that opens up a lot of different, um, aspects of, uh, of connectivity. So for example, one of my last ceremonies, um, I was able to drop in, but then. At one point, I went to the bathroom and I looked at myself in the mirror.

[01:07:30] Right. And my eyes like stayed the same, but my face, like it went through all of them, my lineage, like I can see myself being old. I could see myself being young. I could see myself in the past. I could see myself in the future. And it was almost like these hyper-reality type of structures. Like these Indigo in purple.

[01:07:48] Structures that were like hieroglyphics that were on my face. Right. So now that gave me a really deeper perspective of one of deep time, but also of my ancestral lineage. Right. That all the things that have come before me have held the water for me being here right now. Right. And that strengthened that and understanding that there has been so many people that have laid the way, you know, for you to have this experience you're responsible, right.

[01:08:12] You're responsible to hold right. That lineage in a way that create something special that will last. So that could be the publication of, in everything that I do. What type of ancestor do I want to be? Right. So if I asked myself what type of ancestor I want to be, then all of those decisions that I make.

[01:08:31] Those micro decisions that I make on a day-to-day basis, they have some, a parameter to align with, right? So is this the type of ancestor I want to be? Is this what I want to live with my lineage? Um, and I think from there we can start making some different decisions. Thank you. That provides a much richer context to the name of your podcast.

[01:08:50] So thank you for that. Yeah, I think, I think. Uh, a lot of people think about, you know, who am I being for as a husband or wife, or as a father, as a mother, so on and so forth. But you go beyond that, you know, what kind of ancestor do I want to be? What kind of legacy do I want to have so beautiful. So regarding that I'm watching the time as well.

[01:09:11] So, uh, let's actually talk a little bit more about what you're up to. With someone, you know, combining the ideas of, uh, you know, ancient wisdoms and in new understanding of modern technologies, uh, share with us some of the cool things that you're doing.  Well, there's three things. There's a space there's land, and then there's, you know, the voice, the language part, right? So when the space aspect, um, out of singularity, we were kind of tasked to come up with a business around climate change.

[01:09:41] So I came up with a, uh, understanding of how do we combine. Um, or these exponential technologies like satellites, uh, machine learning, unique datasets to quantify the sustainability for infrastructure projects for global infrastructure projects. So we're talking about, um, energy systems, wastewater management systems, roads, any type of utility that goes into building a city.

[01:10:06] We want to be able to quantify that not only in its economic straits, but also in its social. Right. Uh, as well as this environmental impact and the social we're making correlations to the sustainable development goals that were mandated by the UN. Um, and then from the environmental aspect, we're being able to use different protocols to find missing data layers, and also do change detection, um, that can start to see and map right.

[01:10:30] You know, what a place looked like before the intervention and then also track after, uh, what it looks like. Um, and I think through that vertically, what we're doing is we're launching a satellite, um, a small six use satellite just to do a proof of concept, but ultimately the value add would be to add a hyperspectral imaging camera where hyperspectral imaging camera can get 3000 bands.

[01:10:56] So every particle, every element on this. Planet has a reflective rate. So every element has a unique, uh, reflective rate of the sun's light. So through that, you can identify what that element actually is through that reflective gradient. Um, and. Yeah. So with that, uh, you know, would be almost like taking an MRI of the world.

[01:11:19] Right. So we can understand where the vulnerabilities are and make interventions more, um, with a more strategic I'd say output, and it's also too. Inform capital markets of what they're investing in. Right. Right now sustainability is like coal mine. No. Yeah. Doable energy. Yes. And that's about as far as it goes, but if we can start to really dig deep and like, how does that relate to access to education?

[01:11:45] How does it look at child mortality? How does it look like at the world index? How does it look like at the happiness index? You know, how do we start to kind of look at these more holistic ways of quantifying what value is. Um, so that's kind of space. Um, and then land, we're working on quick question.

[01:12:03] Before we go into land, that's an admirable project. I love it. You're essentially creating a real time MRI for, to identify vulnerable  places. How does the economics works? There? Is it. Hey, I have this much data. Let me sell it back to the nation or to the state or to the real estate development projects.

[01:12:23] I don't quite understand, like how does that incentive? For sure. So the stakeholders would be project developers, um, insurance companies, um, pension funds, um, you know, even academia, um, you know, minors, um, you know, uh, there's a lot of different stakeholders that could actually utilize this data. So for example, in Africa, um, You know, they don't have the census data that we have.

[01:12:49] Right. So one case study we did in Rwanda was being able to actually simulate putting, um, you know, whatever megawatt, um, electric distributor, distributing, um, electricity grid in a place in Rwanda. And we were able to make correlations to what the social impact and the environmental impact would be.

[01:13:09]Just one more thing about like Africa, we can make, you know, wealth, uh, correlations by looking at nightlights, so can get energy. So looking at satellites from night where the places that are lit up, where the places that are, would give an indication of where there's electricity and electricity has correlations to wealth and wealth has, uh, correlations to education and access to education.

[01:13:29] Right. Um, and so. Um, through that, you know, moving that over to like say a North American concept, um, a lot of these municipalities throughout the nation need, uh, climate resiliency plans. Right. So it's really expensive for, to hire consultants to go across, you know, say let's put some arbitrary state in say, Kansas, right.

[01:13:51] And look at all the rules and saying, okay, that's vulnerable to a category four category five  tornado. So, you know, What we would be able to do with satellite imagery is being able to map, you know, that whole scenario and see where the vulnerabilities are within that community.

[01:14:07] So they can actually plan where do they need to have distributed energy? Where if this, you know, category five tornado were to come through here, um, where the deployments of, of hospitals, you know, or, you know, are the hospitals actually equipped, um, to, you know, sustain a category four. Uh, hurricane. So, you know, even with missing data lives or we could look at particles in the world, you know, in the earth, um, you know, what they call, you know, volatile, um, So, yeah, there's a lot of different case studies that we can, that we can get to.

[01:14:39] And there's a lot of different stakeholders for this information about this very topic for another hour. So, uh, you were going to talk about land usage. Go ahead. Sure. So, so kind of connecting those things. How do we actually put this information into practice? And I think, you know what we did, uh, over the summer, Was, um, really drive through the American West, talking to large land owners and seeing if they would be willing to transform into more regenerative practices.

[01:15:07] And, um, seemingly a lot of them were, so we created this company called regenerative futures where we'll be working with a large ranch, uh, in the greater Yellowstone region where we're almost serve as. Um, a framework for this template of regeneration where we'll for the first half of this ceremony, uh, or of the offering, we'll do self, um, evaluation and really connecting to the land.

[01:15:33] So really self-transformation right. And then after that, what we'll focus on is four different verticals and artistic expression. In emerging technology, a civic solution, as well as rethinking policy. And when we're talking about these things, we're not talking about it just as one plot of land, but we're talking about the bioregion right.

[01:15:52] The natural boundaries that are created in these spaces. So we're including Keystone animals. We're, we're looking at, you know, is there a soul regeneration project? Is there a manufacturing project? Is there a reintroducing of an animal, uh, into that land? So for example, Um, cows are not necessarily, uh, indigenous to America.

[01:16:14] It's a European species. So their hooves actually pressed down the soil when they're actually grazing. But by saying they have a three prong hub that naturally tills the land, you know, and actually creates this, the, the microbes, you know, within the soil that regenerates it. So even re-introducing these more ancestral species into these places could serve, but.

[01:16:38] You know, we do the personal transformation and then we understand and we ask what, what is needed from that space. So, Hmm.  There's one more thing, you know, the whole concept is to, from there, create these distributed networks of these labs across the U S where you can drop in and have these experimentations, uh, on land.

[01:16:59] Yeah. So, so do the land owners come to you or you go to them like, because essentially if I'm, again, I'm simplifying this in my head, right? So pardon? Pardon me? This is not where you're intending you. My, my, they wanted to, they, they, they believe in your philosophy. They want to have the optimal, you know, use of their land in a way that serves themselves.

[01:17:23] The ecosystem and ultimately in the world. So, so then, so then they, they come to you as a consulting group to help them do that. Is that an accurate reflection of where you go? It is, you know, and I think it's a combination of both of those things that you said, um, it is, you know, dropping down and kind of asking, are people actually willing to do these types of things?

[01:17:44] And then once you get that first yes. Um, kind of proof of concept then, uh, what we found is, as we were creating these frameworks, other people want to get involved, like, for example, in Wyoming, there's a lot of ranches, um, where it's a big deal, you know, to car thinking about these things. Um, and you know, some.

[01:18:02] Uh, farmers have been kind of traditionally doing the same things that they've been doing over, you know, a hundred, 200 years, you know? So introducing these new ways of being sometimes it's the educational piece, but then it's also, as they see the successes from one space, then they say like, Oh, Hey, you know, maybe I can get involved with that and see, you know, where that can take us.

[01:18:21] So I think it's a mixture of, you know, introducing the concept, but it's also the word of mouth will start to grow and saying, Hey, these things are possible. Oh, that's beautiful. Hey, um, Please share with us, you know, what would you like our audience to go on your website? Do you want to go to your podcast?

[01:18:39] What would you like them to go? If they're interested in your philosophy where you're up to all the projects you have going on. Yeah. So to start off with, you know, the ancestral cyborg, um, is going to be our. Uh, podcasts, we'd launched something with one of my good friends. Yes. Lady Phoenix, um, uh, for crypto Basel, a couple of 'em weeks ago.

[01:18:59] So we have that in the can. And then as the new year terms, we're going to start having more of those conversations. So ancestral, cyborg.com. Um, and then you also have urban matrix, one.com. If you're interested in the kind of like space and geo sciences. Um, and then, you know, you can find me on LinkedIn.

[01:19:17] You know, at Marcus Anderson, if there's any provocations, um, I currently have my Instagram blocked or closed, uh, but you can find me there at global Papa Smurf so, um, those are the places that you can get in contact. Beautiful. I'll make sure that they're all in the show notes.

[01:19:33] And I want to just take a moment to really acknowledge you, Marcus. It's just really thank you for being the kind of person who is willing to have, you know, very in-depth conversation and dance with me in a very interesting way. Uh, I really appreciate you sharing about. Your history as a professional athlete, your, your practice to get into flow, as well as what vision do you have, you know, after studying with anyone 81 different countries and what it actually takes to create this sustainable future for all mankind, actually one other thing I want to make a note of it just is like your words, like so poetic, you're like the best evangelists for all these brilliant ideas and from the ancient wisdom to the modern technologies to bring them all together. So whatever you do keep doing it. Cause you're, you're really, really good at it.

[01:20:25] I re I really appreciate that CK. And, and, you know, one thing that I want to mention is that, you know, I can't do this alone, you know, so as we go through these modalities, people like you, that are actually doing the work of getting these narratives out, you know, you deserve your flowers as well, you know, because it's, it's.

[01:20:40] It's one thing to talk about it, but it's another thing to bring it into the world. And you are that catalyst that is bringing this into the world. Um, and then also, you know, people that are involved, I know it's not an Island. You know, I might've had my own personal experiences, but there's been people that have been working on this a lot longer than I have that I'm willing and able to work with.

[01:20:59] So as we kind of go on this journey, you know, I'm really open to working with different, brilliant minds around these concepts. Beautiful Marcus. Until next time we jam again. Appreciate it. Thanks, DK. 


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