My next guest is Ava Pipitone. Ava is an entrepreneur, adviser, and futurist. They assemble teams and design infrastructure to operationalize emergent intelligence, as our world integrates millions of new minds via technology. Currently a general partner with Permanence Capital and CEO of Suyana Technologies; following a life in public policy and government technology. Their expertise in business design, inner technology, and social equity has established them as a speaker, investor, and public intellectual throughout the Open Society Institute, Summit Series, TEDx, and other private ecosystems.
We talked about
- Their purpose – building that infrastructure for emergent consciousness to stabilize on our planet.
- Their mental model of honoring their purpose and making them fully alive and ecstatic
- The importance of having someone doing exactly what they want to do and doing it in such a way that feels resonant
- The importance of having mentors to affirm their decisions and the path they are on
- Their autodidactic, following of their joy, finding their center and finding out a way to stabilize that.
- The importance of cultivating the feeling of ecstasis and how that sense of playful contribution is what most people yearn for
- How the heart is a quantum computer and the mind is a linear computer and listening to the expansiveness of the heart allows for constructive decisions
- We discussed the latest inner technologies she found to productize our wetware and train our body to calibrate our nervous system for healthy interaction, with larger data sets.
- Lastly, we talked about her spiritual disciplines to induce neuroplasticity and within the right container heal trauma.
- Ava’s website https://www.avapipitone.com/
- Ava’s twitter https://twitter.com/Ava_Pip
Please enjoy my conversation with Ava Pipitone, the CEO of Suyana Technologies.
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welcome to Nobel warrior. My name is CK Lynn. No boy is where interview multi-dimensional entrepreneurs about their spiritual disciplines with deconstruct a mindset, mental models and actionable tactics. So you can take them and engineer your life with more impact than fulfillment.
[00:00:17] Of course, if you have any entrepreneurial friends who could use more inspiration and actionable tactics and more permission to be who they are, please share this with them. They'll thank you for it.
[00:00:29] My next guest is Ava pit Baton. They're a general partner with permanent capital. There are the CEO of technologies. There are a summit series fellow. There are an entrepreneur advisor and futurist.
[00:00:45] We talked about their purpose building that infrastructure for emergent consciousness to stabilize our planet.
[00:00:52] We talked about their mental models of honoring their purpose and making them fully ecstatic.
[00:00:59] We talked about the importance of having someone doing exactly what I want to do and doing it in such a way that feels resonant as a role model,
[00:01:08] the importance of having mentors to affirm their decisions in their path they're on
[00:01:15]their autodidactic following their joy, finding their center and finding out a way to stabilizing, that is how she navigated the different transitions in her life.
[00:01:28] We talked about the importance of cultivating the feeling of ecstases and how that sense of playful contribution is what most people yearn for
[00:01:38]and how the heart is a quantum computer and the mind is a linear computer and listening to the expansiveness of that heart allows for constructive decisions.
[00:01:49]We discussed the latest inner technologies that they found to productize our wetware and train our body to calibrate our nervous system for a healthy interaction with larger datasets.
[00:02:03] Lastly, we talked about their spiritual disciplines to induce neuroplasticity and within the right containers to heal trauma,
[00:02:13]Please enjoy my conversation with Ava. Pepitone the CEO of technologies.
[00:02:19] I see. Kay, thanks so much for having me on here. It's an honor to be in connection with you and with all the listeners here today. Um, Thank you for the introduction. And the only thing I would add is, um, the possibility for grounded evolution. And I really am dedicating my life to building that infrastructure for emergent consciousness, to stabilize on our planet.
[00:02:44] And, uh, you know, the conversation can go anywhere today. Uh, I want to create a little context for, you know, who I have been as a setting for who, who I'm being now. And you mentioned summit. So that, that fellowship was in relation to the work I was doing with the first SAS company that I co-founded.
[00:03:07] Called host home, Inc. And it's a platform for public private partnerships and affordable housing. Right? So I, I like to say in a past life, I was a government technology startup entrepreneur, um, and looking forward today with you to breaking down the journey from that space to where we are today. So I'm particularly excited to be speaking to you.
[00:03:32] Uh, for a number of reason, because you're a technologist, we can keep going on technology, but also on this podcast, let me just set the framework real quick. On this podcast, we talk about the hero's journey a lot. And in specifically we talk about the pivotal moments when they essentially destroy their identity and creating new ones.
[00:03:50] And then for a lot of entrepreneurs who was being on the show, we talked about. You know, maybe a, the solution of their marriage, maybe the solution of their business, maybe the solution of, you know, um, you know, full entrepreneurship to a philanthropist, right? Different phase of life, per se. And there is spoken to anyone who, um, essentially shifted.
[00:04:13] Their gender yet. So I'm very curious to know, not necessarily a focus on that specific aspect of who you are, but really using that as a way to discuss like the journey of actually reinvent yourself, letting go of your identity to create new ones. So if you don't mind going back to, um, your own hero's journey of how you experience this.
[00:04:36] Transition in gender and all these things. I think that would be really, uh, illustrated. Love it, love it. Um, so I like to say I've always been who I am and it's just a process of shedding, the layers who I, who I thought I was and the mask that I was trying on for a time. So. You know, I've been on every continent on the planet, except for Antarctica.
[00:05:00] And as I was traveling after undergrad, I had a beard on my face and I was, uh, I found myself it's Mumbai and Bombay. Right. And there was this one specific time we're going to auto Rick, uh, motorcycle, like with a bench on the back. And we're bouncing around at this intersection and I'm there with my girlfriend at the time and couch surfing host.
[00:05:21] And this was like 2010. Right. Um, it doesn't 11 and we come to this intersection is just unpaved. So dirt smoke dust, at least 10 roads converging chaos. And in the middle of all of this is a woman. Dressed in what seemed like ceremonial, adornment, um, purple and blue, slowly close. And she locks eyes with me.
[00:05:48] And I'm in the back of this, this auto wreck bounce around. She locked eyes of me and she walks to us. And as we're zooming along, she's walking towards us and then we meet and she puts her arm into our auto Rick and grabs my arm looks me right in the eyes and says, hello, family. And then just like pulls her arm back and puts it over her heart.
[00:06:08] Uh, my couch surfing coasts, I couch surfing host was convinced that I just been cursed. My girlfriend was just silent happened and, and what I later learned is this woman is a huge draw. Uh, he's rhe. So it it's a white person talking, but I go to the source for a better explanation. But from what I understand, um, their, their cultural stewards of the Indian culture, especially in Mumbai and.
[00:06:37] They were involved in rites of passage. So doulas at birth and death on the oversea marriages. And they come to your home to, to bless you for other, other life milestones. And they're born with, uh, primary sex characteristics commensurate with male, right. But they live as a women. And the process of that is diet based and, and spiritual.
[00:06:59] So you become this honored role in society. But remember my couch surfing host said, you're going to be cursed. Right. So if they remember how the Indian culture interacted with globalization and these culturally valued members of society became devalued, and what she was doing in the middle of the intersection was asking for money.
[00:07:21] I just create this story to say that was a time where I had a beard on my face. I was traveling the world. Um, I was not yet an entrepreneur in my identity. I was just as a seeker and I encountered a part of myself in connection with this woman. I didn't even know was there, it wasn't until a year later that I sat down and said, Hey, you know, I have this dissonance with how I'm being and I want to talk about it.
[00:07:48] And then I uncovered that my childhood was actually pretty different than other people's. Although I had thought it was normal and I began the journey. So I moved back to Baltimore city, um, and it's a bit closer to biological family in case things went wrong when you're changing your endocrine system.
[00:08:07] And I started, you know, getting to know myself, trying stuff. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Before you started doing the shifting process yet, I'm sure it wasn't one day you wake up. All right. I'm going to go through an endocrine system change, right? I'm sure it's a, it's a process in itself. So internally, especially if you could use zoom in, on sort of the decision process.
[00:08:30] And I want to again, use this as a way to, for anyone who is going through their own identity change, whatever that may be. For them to kind of like, Oh yeah, I'm feeling this way. Um, I am syndicators and dah, dah, dah. So thank you. Yeah, there's a, when you try on clothes, do they fit? Right. And if they don't fit, you know, right away, right.
[00:08:51] Not just how, how it looks, but how it feels. And then is this actually functional and, and what I'm, what I'm here to do, is this serving that purpose or not? So when looking at my embodiment at the time, was this serving the purpose that I was here to do or not, was this making me fulfill alive, ecstatic or not?
[00:09:10] Um, and it turned out that I had tasted exhaustive and it wasn't. It wasn't in the way, the way I was aesthetically looking. Yeah, it did. I'm sorry. What was the word that you use really ecstatic in life? I love every bit about this. I tasted that in, um, in childhood, um, just in being included in spaces that were not gendered.
[00:09:37] Being in connection with people who were women and being actually with people who are men and being able to go between them. And when those, when that wasn't a possibility for me anymore, I would experience like, uh, like my body didn't like it. And when I looked in the mirror, my body didn't like it. And it was really, and we didn't talk about this too much, uh, yet, because it's kind of new content for us.
[00:10:00] And this is relatively like internal, but. If you're looking at, um, like a chair in a hallway and it looks like, uh, like everybody says, that's a chair at the end of the hallway and you see like a pile of kind of sticks. Not really looking like a chair, but if you take one step to the left, that forced perspective aligns and it actually looks like a chair and you see whatever else has been seeing.
[00:10:26] But you're one step to the right and you see like a stick six feet of thick and stick a 12 feet, another piece of 14 feet. And people are telling you it's a, it's a chair, but it really looks like chaos. I was living in that chaos. And when I first entertain the possibility that will, maybe my embodiment is off.
[00:10:46] And maybe these, this affinity with any experience of transgender that I, that I encountered in the culture was actually a possibility for me. Um, and that I should consider, I felt, as I could see the chair, I felt that I was ecstatic. I felt that my body was yes, internal knowing expansive. And I said, well, can I stabilize that?
[00:11:08] Can I stabilize that well, in, in my society where I grew up in the United States in Maryland, and there was no example of that stabilized and also contributing and productive, there was Jerry Springer. Right. There was, there was, uh, like Mrs. Doubtfire. I needed to come Institute or whatever. There was some TV shows and some movies, Tootsie.
[00:11:27] There was like, it was some things that were just strange. It didn't resonate with me at all. But when I went to around the world everywhere, I went, not just India. I encountered examples of culturally revered. Yeah. Instances of non dualist embodiment, right? Non reproductive bodies that were, um, you know, reproductive, reproducing culture, I'm stewarding, stewarding these art music, et cetera.
[00:11:49] And, and, and even, even ceremonial responsibility. And that was attractive. So, uh, to kind of. Do you want, you mentioned like bringing the mental model and then the focus, it was really finding some, some example of someone doing what I wanted to be doing, which is feeling good. And it's like aligned and feeling clear doing it and, and doing it in such a way that it addressed what I had felt as dissonant.
[00:12:17] I see. So quick recap, you felt dissonant in the body and then you were also looking at. So one of the cultural icons, right? Whether it's from movies or, you know, TV shows and you know, like, okay, it's not that you want it. You were looking for essentially positive role models, like, Oh, okay. Hey man. I imagined myself or put myself in those situations to say, Oh, okay.
[00:12:41] That may be a possibility. Is that accurate? Yeah. And everything I tried on, I look around and say, everything I saw in the American culture was just not, it. And when I went around the world, I saw these each examples that were in that, where they were doing something important, they were, they were, they were honored.
[00:12:56] It wasn't, it was an honor. And your society and your family, if you had a child that grew up to be this or that, right. And I can go around the world and give you examples of these, these types of. You know, non-gendered or third gender or, or really non Dulles type of embodiment that are, that are, that are celebrated like a Mahu in Hawaii.
[00:13:13] Like, um, in, in Indonesia there are five genders, right? And the, the, the arbiters, uh, typically like judges and lawyers have a really non-binary embodiment where they, they do that to really, really live the role of being neutral. Right. And having the legal weight behind their decisions. So I saw all these exciting examples and I said, why didn't I learn these things cool.
[00:13:41] They would have alleviated this pressure that I had been repressing my whole life. And once I began to let that out and take, uh, take baby steps towards trying on a new way, you know, I went, I went pretty far in. Then I came back, right. I went pretty far into the feminine spectrum and, and I, you know, I was like a very different person for a couple of years.
[00:13:58] And then I came back into this. Non-binary space and I feel like, Oh, wow. That's, that's complete. That's I feel really clear here. Um, I can, I can talk about that process. You ever have. I mean, that's, I would say that's pretty ballsy in terms of courageous brother to like go into like, Oh, I have an idea of who I am.
[00:14:20] Yeah. It doesn't feel right. And let me just go into the feminine. Like it goes, most people want like a guide, a Sherpa and a mentor to assure you, you know, that the water is warm and safe, so on and so on. Before jump right into the deep end. So did you, did you seek them out or? Yeah, so a hundred percent, uh, when I came to Baltimore, uh, it was in 2014 and I started the process of, Hey, I'm gonna take a step towards who I am to take a step towards feeling good.
[00:14:55] Right. I, I felt good. Um, once or twice while traveling, cause I've noticed these examples. I want to take a step towards feeling good. I'm going to start changing the way I look. And, uh, in that process at that time, there were few examples, um, of really economically contributing out queer people on the East coast.
[00:15:20] I have no idea what you just said. What does that mean? So the people that I encountered in that were on that path were in a survival economy. And that means, you know, selling anything they could to live. Right. And that wasn't the example that I wanted to be with. So I ended up joining a worker cooperative cafe and I became an owner and very rapidly.
[00:15:47] I was an out trans person who looks kind of funny. Uh, but I was, I was speaking on the microphone at events. I was interacting with a big guy. Face-to-face, see 300 people that have free school vegan menu. And I was, I was reworking the, uh, front of house policies and then I would work some shifts in the front of house that was very visible.
[00:16:08] And I was transitioning in front of people and customers would come in every day. I would have. No more facial hair I'd have longer hair. And then I would have different clothes and people were saying, you know, what's going on with your changes? I would talk about it. So have directly a role model right away.
[00:16:24] But in that position, um, I drew a lot of attention in city politics and I drew a lot of attention from the trans folks who are what we call stealth. So the people that you can't see, you can't tell, just look like any old man or woman out there. And there were, there's a specific elder and Monica Yorkman who came to me and said, Hey, Ava, you have a lot of potential.
[00:16:46] Let me, let me take you under my wing. And she brought me into the world of why, why, why, why the potential is it because your mastery in language, the way you look, I mean, why, why the potential. Every other trans person in Baltimore at the time was, as I mentioned, the survival economy. And I was saying, no, I can be an autodidact.
[00:17:12] I can figure this out. I can do this. Um, you know, at the time I would talk into people at the register at these events about how to, um, access, uh, you know, access, medical care. Before we had policies that affirmed it. So I was saying, you know what? Hormonal ratios could do this to your secondary sex characteristics.
[00:17:31] Like what diet could optimize this for sleep, like how you can maximize IGF one to promote secondary second characteristic development and how you can use fatty acids to reallocate fat storage on your body. Yeah. So I was like, um, and I was just nerding out about it. Um, and I, I shared that and she was, she just came and she's like, Ava, you're really smart.
[00:17:55] You have access to more information than I did when I was doing this because she's 65 at the time. And, and you know, I want you to have a microphone in front of you. So the young trans people can have someone to look up to. And so you can help these doctors in this space learn. What it's like to figure it out on your own and then give them a little bit of live experience to kind of, uh, guide the policy that they're in.
[00:18:19] They're deciding that they have no lived experience in relationships. So I became this kind of consultant for, um, hospital, like for, uh, LGBTQ medical center. And then I, I got, uh, I was the assistant to the executive director and then became the executive director of the Baltimore transgender Alliance, all in, in, in about a year's time.
[00:18:39] Um, because of my autodidactic, um, you know, following of my joy, finding my center and finding out a way to stabilize that. Feeling of alignment. Yeah. Possible. I, I appreciate you sharing that. Uh, that's, that's extraordinary to, to what most people would do because most people want that. Is it safe?
[00:19:03] It is. Let me be a little bit more public. Is it safe? It is. Let me be more public. So on and so on. Right. You think about anything podcasting, entrepreneurship, you know, trends. Transitioning your genders. It's all kind of like that, right. But you just said, no, I'm going to be public boom right there. That's like, how did you overcome the internal resistance of being in public?
[00:19:28] I like this question. I had a different view of privacy and purpose at the time. And. I knew that I had received a really strong education. Okay. Once a Fordham university for that, I went to, uh, a private high school and I had taken advanced courses in the world, religions and theology and ethics and economics.
[00:19:52] And, you know, it was honors student and I was a really good oratory at the time. And I it's a different forums and mediums that we use for speaking these days. But I really enjoyed, um, cultivating the energy of a group. Uh, and, and creating some directionality around that. I feel like spoken word as a, as a, as a vehicle for healing.
[00:20:13] Um, and I just enjoyed it. So why to be so public because no one else was being public and this was happening, right. This was happening. And I knew, and this was a little bit of my own content at the time. It's now been verified by people like professor Keith. Solid and beyond trans does gender matter. And I can, there's other resources I could do to echo this, but there is a point in cultural maturity when a nation or a culture let's start there when a culture stabilizes beyond, uh, Needing to quantify reproductive capacity.
[00:20:47] And they say, okay, we have enough units of labor. We have enough units of innovation and we don't need to continually quantify that. So they, they are, they expand, uh, pairings beyond economics. So they could that's when homosexuality becomes accepted, that's when gender expands beyond binary. And we had a, like, That was happening in the United States, right.
[00:21:09] That was happening in 2014 in the United States. And I knew it, some of the other thought leaders in this space knew it. And our coffee house and bookstore was on the kind of book release tour for a lot of the emergent, uh, public intellectuals. In the, um, kind of radical space, the uncensored space. So we had folks coming in and talking, and I was often leading the panels and engaging the context.
[00:21:34] I was right at the forefront of this theory. And I was walking the walk that I was talking. Yeah. Was it accidental that you happened? You'd been the nexus of this wave that was coming or is it more by design? Like, Hey, I'm going to put myself in a forum, you know, on a platform when I get to interact with thought leaders of my interest.
[00:21:59] So on and so on. Good question. Um, so it was as by design, as it could be. However, I didn't know the scale and the reach of that, that space. When I first joined, I knew the space was aligned. It was a space where I could learn about kind of the, the DIY, the autodidactic, the underground of. Um, really like biohacking of consensus decision-making of districts, distributed ledger technology of AI ethics.
[00:22:29] I was just fascinated by all the topics are being discussed in this info shop space. And I said, Hey, this info shop. It's a, it's a type of independent bookstore that has uncensored information, so raw ideas, and they support independently published content. And they're a bit of a Relic of the days before blogs.
[00:22:49] But that was the spot you went to get caffeine and critical ideas. Yeah. The whole idea of salons. Yeah, exactly. It was a constant salon. Right. And I knew this was the place to be. It just felt like the place to be. So by going into it, I just knew I wanted to be in that world. I didn't know that red was working cooperative was, you know, a 14 year old institution that was like the premier info shop on the East coast.
[00:23:15] And, you know, let me just like kind of qualify. This and say, Hey, I went into that world and learn a lot about how to criticize and how to, how to deconstruct systems. And by looking at the data points of where they on the ground affects people. And at the time I was using empathy as my compass, so I could see harm and I would move towards harm, understand it, and then go to systems.
[00:23:44] Um, designers and, and, and people closer to levers of change and speak the possibility of a new type of design that, that includes these new data. Right. But back up to sentence, you will see harm and then you will use empathy. I will use empathy. Yeah. Yeah. Can you just elaborate on that a little bit? Yeah.
[00:24:03] And I wanted to say like, that is not the way to do it anymore. Right. So at the time I was young and I said, Hey, let me go towards these people, doing this new thing and see how I can be of service or see what's what's wrong here. And because I had access to people in government, people in business, I could then actually make a difference.
[00:24:24] Right. I could build an organization. I could start a government technology. Software platform for homeless services, taking the learnings of all of the trans folks who continually fall through the cracks and build something that will, they won't fall through the cracks. Right? So I was using empathy as my compass to find and feel my way towards where the problems were.
[00:24:43] But what I learned was I was getting hurt too. Right. I was jumping in the Hudson river after these people and I was drowning too. So it was, it was maybe 2018, 2017 when I said, you know, back in the old days. Yeah, I had, uh, I had some kind of maxed out on my empathy and realized that I wasn't helping. I was actually just being a bystander to an enabler of some of the harm that, that, that was being caused.
[00:25:13] Um, through the containers that we have before us. And I started saying, you know, what I can do is heal myself. What I can do is remember that feeling of, of ecstases that catalyze my transition or where my gut was on fire and electricity and said, Hey, I should do this. What if I go back to cultivating that?
[00:25:33] And while maybe I'm not on the front lines of legislative change in the LGBTQ movement. Maybe I can have, maybe I won't be in that, that vicarious trauma space that maybe, or even tertiary trauma, maybe I'll be just in the innovation space. Um, and I encountered an idea that, you know, what we're supposed to do is find the healing that works for us.
[00:25:56] And when we do that, we're supposed to, we take that healing and we rediscover our play. And when we rediscover play. People come around because they will, all we want to do is play with one another, right. And connect. Now we're playing a connecting. At that point. We can take that place on us and create a contribution and what the world needs is more people with that playful, joyous contribution.
[00:26:23] Cause that's where your genius is. Right. And when I found that idea, I realized that what I love to do that, that electric gut feeling I had at the beginning of my transition also occurs when I am. Dancing when I am working with inner technology like meditation and plant medicine. And when I'm building, when I'm building new designs, new businesses, new products, and really being of service and creating value.
[00:26:51] And that brought me into a new chapter where I was no longer the activist. I was the builder. Yeah, there's a pause for a moment. There there's a lot of different directions we can go. I'm trying to, I'm trying to decide in my head in real time, which, which we want to go with. Um, I think it was Buckminster fuller who shared this idea of, instead of trying to fix and paraphrasing, he said it much more eloquently, but he basically said is that I'm trying to fix the old world.
[00:27:25] Create a new world. That's so compelling that, you know, everyone wants to be part of. So is that what I'm hearing? Not projecting, correct me if I'm wrong, is that so instead of being a militant, you know, an advocate to try to fix the old world, you wanted to essentially inspire people through this intrinsic innate sense of joy and, and play.
[00:27:47] Such that everyone want to create this new world. Is that an accurate reflection of, yeah, sure. Yeah. You're good at you're you're you're right there. And. It was a couple key realizations of Buckminster fuller. Great, great anchor point. Right? What is talking about futurists, right. And ecosystems, right? That that's, that's kinda the two words I would anchor his thought and right.
[00:28:13] The future of ecosystems and how to build systems that work and systems that have that central FIC evolution incentive to. To align the iteration innovation towards, again, more harmony, more peace, more spaciousness, more people. That's, that's how we want to build. And game-ify anything we build such that it evolved and that alignment.
[00:28:33] Yes, Buckminster fuller. Um, so for me that was dance and I started with just the first ecstatic dance that I discovered and I said, Hey, my inner world, you know, I am, when I'm on the dance floor, I don't know about using, I don't know if you're a dancer or not, but when I'm out there, I have. I have a whole internal reality, uh, you know, there's magic, there's flying there's expression.
[00:28:57] And when I first connected in every step and every moment of, of what I was doing with another person on the dance floor, when I was just unleashing, I was just being me, you know, not holding anything back. And then someone was in my inner world with me. Wait a minute. I can be as divergent as possible. I can be as goofy as possible and I can connect.
[00:29:22] That's awesome. I'm not going to hold back anymore. And I just kept coming back with a score. So we call it dance and like contact improv and ecstatic. You call it a score like a coming back to the score. And I discovered other types of dance. Uh, contact improv is where you actually are in physical touch with someone and dancing and your bio rhythms synchronize your nervous system immediately.
[00:29:47] It's not a seeks coherence and. Just so, you know, before you actually get into physical touch, there's the nervous systems are interacting, right? Like two microphones. And when they get close to each other, If they're at the wrong frequency that make a dissonance squeal, right? If they're the right frequency, they won't have that.
[00:30:09] So in contact improv, and then in five rhythms, we talk about your approach to another person. When you get into the proximity of their energetic bubble, you can tell if it's a match or not, you can almost navigate with that felt sensation at distance, such that when you're getting within someone's energetic bubble, you're already in conversation.
[00:30:29] However deep that connection will go. I have a question. Sorry. Yeah. So the way you describe it as almost a palpable sensation, is that, is that accurate? I've never experienced that. So. I, I, you know, I'm kind of an energetic savant, so, you know, I'm not as energetic reasons that of, but I am a curious through that.
[00:30:52] I want to cultivate that. So Dan's embodiment, you know, everything you talk about is a modality, um, eagerly, you know, wanting to explore. So please continue with the fiber. Got it. Thank you. Yeah. So this piece. When you're on the dance floor, you're on the dance floor. And ecstatic dance was the first time that the DJ spoke intention into the music.
[00:31:20] It was different from just a dance concert. It was different from a structured technical dance class. They were actually speaking into the space, connect with the ground, connect with your breath. Right. And I took that. And I did that and I went deeper and I realized that others are doing the same. So what the sensation is, is like it's as close to that inner I use, I use the gut earlier, but it's a somatic intelligence and it's a state of coherence.
[00:31:55] And I would say your EEG is. Stabilize with the group. And we know from research that when your EEG stabilize with the group, your nervous system relaxes and calibrates to the group, and you're more successful, you're more collaborative. And when the DJ is driving the bus via the set and the score, they can actually pull us into that collaboration really well.
[00:32:21] Right. So the, the sensation it's, it's, it's like a knowing and I think it's a little synesthetic it's between our typically five segmented senses. And it's more of an emergent sensation from all of them happening in coherence. And I want to speak to the waves of fiber though. So in that was a later discovery and that was really the best medicine because it's an explicitly so space and it's a explicitly mindful space and they say that.
[00:33:01] The body and motion can, can process anything, right? It's a, it's a meditative space. So when you're in the waves, the five waves, they'll go from melodic to staccato, to DBAs, to flutter, to flow and whatever it is that's going on in your inner world goes through all of those transformations as well. So what happens inside of me?
[00:33:30] Is my spine. Oakland's up. I had typically have alignment and adjustments physically. Like my lower back will adjust. My neck will adjust. My knee will adjust and. When that happens, you feel blood flow in areas that it wasn't before and your bioelectric field has more coherence than before. So you're more sensate and connected with self in a room full of X amount of people who are doing
[00:33:58] So you, you said that, you know, speak to folks who haven't experienced that. Um, if you can walk, you can dance. Right. And, and, you know, and also it's fully accessible to people that are seated for a five rhythms classes and have different levels of physical ability that I experienced the whole connectivity.
[00:34:17] Um, I would really like to pull the dance back to my entrepreneurial journey. Right. And, and in that, so you're connecting in creation and in play in five-year them. And then you encountered another person and you connected with South and I connect another person and can I do itself? And then the dance ends and they grounded.
[00:34:44] There's a meditation at the end. And then you, you know, we go off into the world and. What are you up to? What are you up to? Without a doubt, every person that I connect with on a dance floor being as absurd as I could possibly be entrepreneur, investor innovator. So pause for a second. One of the things that, especially entrepreneurs, innovators, Visioneers, these like outlier thinkers, you know, I can't speak for you, but I'll speak for myself.
[00:35:15] It always feels a little bit of an outlier. Mike eman, I'm kind of a weirdo. These normal people who love their 90 fives are not really jamming to really my people. So, so as I get older, as I have higher, shall we say development or actually no more comfort with my own weirdness. Then started a podcast and they're like, Hey, you're a weirdo too.
[00:35:38] Love it. Great. Come on a fuck as let's talk about it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. And that's the thing like, like if you, if you take the arc of my story and kind of bring it into a little bit more simplicity, like I was, I was a really big weirdo at the beginning of my transition. And if it wasn't for the structural empowerment of a microphone in front of me and an organization behind me, I would just been a very strange looking person who was just a very articulate, strange looking person.
[00:36:05] And I took that and ran with it and just like, okay, like if you don't think it's weird, I don't think it's weird. Let's go. Um, and really despite that having, you know, taken a back seat, I think I've integrated a little bit in my aesthetic into the world. And I figured out how to rock the aesthetic that I have stabilized into.
[00:36:23] I, I still am. Um, you know, I'm a, biohacker, um, I'm a all in the health and wellness, you know, like I wear Zebo barefoot leather shoes and I, you know, drink vinegar and MCT oil and lime, lime juice and cayenne pepper every morning to get my, you know, I'm also still, I'm still, you know, unique, but I think it allows me.
[00:36:48] To be fully present. I think it allows me to, to like a skunk magic. Right. I attract other skunks by repel everybody else. And by virtue of us talking, like, I know, I know you're a little, you're also a little out there and there was some common threads that, that we, that we have, right. While you may not be in the dance community, um, enter technology is an umbrella term, right?
[00:37:11] It's an umbrella term because I can, I can mean meditation. Like, can I meditate for an hour every morning? Um, I can mean the imaginal realm work that I do that then I continue doing when I'm dancing, but then I literally invite people into a dance school and I can also mean plant medicine work and how to use that as an accelerant for aligned innovation and to relinquish, uh, experiments that aren't working, that you're still holding onto.
[00:37:39] Right when to stop a business LA perfect. Where are we going? Going down the rabbit hole of a specific qualities and everything. Let's actually talk to those who. Uh, are not who is questioning? Like why, like why, why does this embodiment coherence, you know, this bring heart coherence matter and how does it relate?
[00:38:00] Uh, how's irrelevant to their, their, their experience of being the body, how pleasant it is to be in the body and, or their functional performance in life and so on and so on. So if you can speak a little bit more about why they should even care about. This coherence that we've been talking about. Got it.
[00:38:20] Well, I believe. That our brain has evolved for linear processing throughout assessment. Right. And that is, we can talk about neuroscience. The neuroscience of, is it dangerous or is it exciting? Is it novel? Could I do this myself? Okay. Am I connecting with this idea? Am I critiquing it right. And you have to satisfy that whole hierarchy before you actually engaged somebody.
[00:38:44] Um, you know, neurologically even to, to, to, to be interested in your venture, be interested in your project. You have to, you know, the, the, the, the flow of pitch is designed intentionally to satisfy the neurological assessment that we all have evolved to do, but that's a linear process. And, you know, we have a lot more technology inbuilt than just this.
[00:39:10] And I think it's a little bit overused when people say that our heart is the quantum computer and this is the linear computer, however, it's not inaccurate. And when we can really learn the felt sensation here of, is this an expensive option? Is this an expensive vision? Is this an expensive connection or is this a constrictive?
[00:39:38] Is this feeling like are my, are my psoas muscles tightening? Am I feeling something in my lower back or my neck then that that's a no, your body knows that your linear brain may not have articulated yet. And with the rate of acceleration in. Infrastructure interconnectivity. Right? The new sphere is being substantiated via telecoms innovation.
[00:40:04] At an incredible rate, we have millions of minds coming online by two G 3g technologies over the next year. And that's going to continue what the innovation space is going to continue to accelerate. Cultures are aware of each other this week to integrate all of that in a timeline that works for maintaining peace on the planet.
[00:40:25] We need to start using this. We need to start using this. So one of my kind of side interests is actually what augmented intelligence can be in the future of augmented intelligence. Yeah. I'm parked the term augmented intelligence. Sure, sure. Um, let me couch it in the world. Economic forum has a ethics. On AI.
[00:40:46] And, uh, I'm, I'm a part of the global shapers, which is like a feeder pipeline for what a comic forum contributors. Um, and I've been in there for several years and I've been in discussion now with the people writing the agenda for the AI ethics segment of lefts conferences here. And I'm not affiliated with WEF officially just global shapers of the subset.
[00:41:07] So like codified there, but when looking at augmented intelligence, we're talking about where can big data and machine learning be applied in synergy with human intuition and the human ecosystem to, uh, enhance our abilities. So it's really key in like risk mitigation and dangerous jobs like oil extraction, um, or, or space exploration or a military combat, like.
[00:41:33] But they'll, they'll essentially have augmented reality and big data insights and the human intuition as to how to ingest that data and move through. So if you're in an oil rig and there's a pipe, you're looking to preemptively address any infrastructural failures that might arise, you could have this data at your disposal.
[00:41:55] As you walk through that could give you some data back insight as to where you should be focusing your attention. But at the end of the day, you've been on the job for long enough, and you're going to feel also where to go. And there's, there's a, there's actually a book. I think it might be titled augmented intelligence that goes into this in detail with some statistics around, uh, companies that have leveraged this technology.
[00:42:19] But I am really interested in the future of, of, uh, how we can optimize our wetware to, to synergize with neuro morphic technology. Which is wearable devices that can train our body to calibrate our nervous system for a healthy interaction, with larger data sets. And this gets nerdy and a little bit domain specific.
[00:42:43] So I want to make sure that we're keeping a space for listeners can, can have fun with it. But just to say, in the future, our archival systems will be built in such a way that they can be intuitively navigated. So, if you think of something, you can follow the file tree and directories to acquire the knowledge that you need and operationalize that knowledge.
[00:43:02] And if there's a sufficient neuro more neuromorphic advancements in the wearable devices that we have, which means we can have essentially BCIS or brain computer interfaces that are non-invasive. Then we should all be able to access that kind of superpower and it's time now, while if you're not in the heads down engineering of those projects, it's time for us to think about the.
[00:43:25] The integrity of their future application and the social impact of cultural impacts of their future application. And also what's possible in the innovation space with tools like that. And that's where I'm really excited as well. Yeah, same here. Uh, this brain computer interface is really exciting. I think it was Elon Musk who said, um, basically.
[00:43:47] Um, our ability to our fingers right now is the, or a voice is the way to access data and it's super slow. And then he's dreaming about his, his new venture is the Zim plant. What is it called? The new NeuroNet. Yeah. As a way to access this computing, um, question. I'm a huge believer of this cultivation of self-awareness because in my mind, once I'm aware and I can tune to does coherence. And from that place, then we create from a place from neutrality rather than, you know, some biases that I have and don't really know about. Um, so I'm a huge believer of we make what we are, but on your website, you say, we are what we make.
[00:44:39] So, if you can unpack, we are what we make versus we make what we are. I appreciate that very much. Love that, love that. So I believe I've built everything that I am right now. And I, and I've built my body. I've built my identity and I've built my companies and I felt my connections, networks, friends, family, and that creates a feedback loop.
[00:45:08] Such that they're all enrolled, right? They're all enrolled in the highest vision that I have for myself. And I'm enrolled in the highest vision they have for themselves. And that's the feedback loop we have established, right? It's everyone I'm in connection with only sees what's best. And we game-ify that, and it's impossible to get me to believe that I am.
[00:45:33] Like when I'm in a negative space or I'm in a downward spiral of any kind, they won't let me, they, they, they can verify and bring me back and integrity with who I've been being. Right. And they won't let me go down because we're all connected and we have integrity there. So I literally am who I say I am in relation to everybody that I'm in connection with.
[00:45:54] And I think that the word integrity is really critical there. So. I build these things. They do something create value in the world. And we articulate that with these words and that's that's reality, right? In the beginning, there was the word. And from that sprung a whole new realm of, of possibility, right?
[00:46:14] That's that's the first words of the Torah in the Judeo-Christian Bible, because the language is. The technology of creation. So I said, we are what we build and I, I meant it intentionally as an inverse on, on, on how you expressed earlier, because it's, it's about creating with our word, enrolling others in it.
[00:46:36] And then having that come back to us. And verify, and then we go back to them and verify, and then we can go from there. We can work from there. And then in that space, we can start actually the construction of something bigger than either of us imagined. And that's what I'm about. Yeah. Uh, I appreciate that.
[00:46:55] Yeah. It's kind of a leading question because for me, I believe Ashley is both right. I make the thing out of my own ideas and creation my mindset as well as now. The thing that makes me because I'm using it. So casing point, social dilemma, the documentary, the, the technologies that we build, social media, Twitter, Facebook.
[00:47:19] We make it as a way to serve, to help us find information that's that, that we want, but ultimately turn out to polarize, you know, uh, our opinion, because it just serves, uh, what, what we really want to hear. Right. So yeah, no, a hundred percent, but tool shapes us. And I think like what Justin was going for in that, right.
[00:47:42] There's an unregulated market on manipulation. Hell of a punchline. Right. And that's we call it like psychometric behavioral change. Sure. And it's, performance-based pay on psychometric behavioral change. That's that's disturbing. That's that's that's but, but what he's saying, he's he's seems like you said he was drawing attention to the fact that our tools shape us.
[00:48:05] So if we are going to use neuromorphic hardware, we're going to use, um, new systems for housing, right? What's in that this is going to be some AI recommending who should live with whom. What's that going to do to, to cultural innovation. And is it going to create a bias towards like coagulations of, of culture that that's feedback resistant, right.
[00:48:26] If it provides the in-group out-group or provides this like deep cultural alignment, is that good objectively? I, it can be very good in many ways, but it could also be feedback resistance. So I think that our tools, um, create problems as they create. Value. And it's important to be conscious of all of that.
[00:48:48] And then we can choose what to focus on. Right. And I like to focus on that sensation that guides me, that all my guts on fire and my hearts aligned, and I can be in connection with someone. And even though in that connection, that could be other aspects that are unconscious. We know that, and we've used our language to state attention that is.
[00:49:11] Let's do this and we can go from there. Okay. So let me recap what you're saying. So out of all the possibilities of any kind of problems that you can solve from the most global to, you know, to the, to national, to community, to familial, to cell, you come back to this sensation of, am I. Expanded and contracted versus may inflame or whatever, that, that subjective experience as the atomic unit of a wall, quite guides your choice of projects to work on.
[00:49:45] Is that an accurate yeah. Yeah. It has to make you come alive and your body has to verify that you're alive. Right. So it, you know, and I want to clarify that too. Right? So that is, that is the atomic measure of, as you just said, that's medic awareness, but also like. I may think that what makes me alive is to, you know, ABC and D to have a motorcycle and to like go skydiving.
[00:50:11] But then like I get those things and I'm like, actually, you, Scott is fun, but it's, it's a, it's like an adrenaline max out, but there's a lot of other ways that you can get that that are actually longer, um, easier logistically and, uh, and have like a longer lasting, um, joy and. So it's almost that your body knows that and you need to get that data from your body to actually make the decision.
[00:50:36] So if you're looking at, um, so, uh, you know, if we have a bunch of deals, so say permanent capital, we look at, um, funding and catalyzing human performance, and we're really interested right now in. Um, home health licenses. So like med spas and Ivy clinics and things as a vehicle for, uh, the emergent therapeutics, right.
[00:50:58] Functional medicine and things. And in that space, we can have solid data on a company having to scrape multiples, um, and just being a good asset. But do, as a team, make us come alive, does, does that, does a brand is a position in such a way that is exciting and. Feels good. And if we go in the place, do we feel like there's, there's an intuition around it and yeah, I want to push us back towards that kind of decision-making.
[00:51:30] Got it. So, so you don't just look at the deals, the numbers, but also how does, how do the owners and entrepreneurs or the staff make you feel as well as the brand? How does that make you feel? So you actually look at it from multiple lenses, that fractal lens, rather than just numbers, let's crunch numbers and see the multiples, blah, blah, blah.
[00:51:49] Yeah. And because it's just because that is the, that felt sensation will show up in the numbers later. Yeah. So quick question. Uh, we're kind of doing a parallel track right now, but, but let's when I looked at the life through your lens, right?
[00:52:05] What makes me come alive? So then I experienced extent. I can say that word.
[00:52:14] Um, what are some of the systematic way that you can help this person? Um, keep track of what, whether, you know, what is the exact C's of 10 out of 10 and nine out of 10 and things like that. Is there a way, how do you think about it as a systematic way to, to, yeah. Yeah. Um, I would look at where you experienced coagulation at any level.
[00:52:38] So if it's in your output and your productivity, if it's in your relationships, if it's in. Just getting through what you laid out for your Workday. If you're experiencing coagulation, or if it's in your body, your digestion or your emotions, any coagulation, it's time to run a process. Right. And coagulation means what for you slowing down, being stuck.
[00:53:00] Um, Oh yeah. Think about mucus, right? It just not doesn't feel good, right. That there's an a, in a plant medicine community, they have a different languages, different cultures for it, but it's like this phlegm and. When you're experiencing that, what I hope want to help people with is having a really full tool belt, where they have several different things they can do in this situation so they can run program.
[00:53:28] Uh, so for me, you know, 2:00 PM, if I'm hitting that slump, what my mud water has worn off. And maybe I'm ready to, like, my quality of mind has run down. Uh, I think of my both staff and I go out for a 10 minute spin. My headphones are in and I'm, I'm doing a, uh, a flow for, for 10 minutes. And then I come back in and all of those problems do not seal the same as a whole new algorithm that I'm looking at them through, but that's just one, right.
[00:54:00] And it works for me because I'm supposed to have to answer. But for people that, that don't have their slow dialed in yet. I don't have their dance method dialed in yet. We already talked about the breath today and you know, we bring it. You began this session with little box breathing. Beautiful, beautiful addition.
[00:54:17] Um, I like to give the body more somatic awareness of itself. And really easy can be done at any time. I actually do right now. But when your thumb and forefinger touch, this completes a circuit and your nervous system, it's called the yoga and yoga. Just having that as you're working, it gives your body awareness of its own bioelectric field, and it gives your body awareness of its own inner alignment.
[00:54:43] So you can have a heightened sense of intuition as to what postural changes need to happen to address that coagulation that I mentioned. And if you can stack on top of that, right, you can go and do your five, 10 minutes of movement, come back and sit with the own moodra and take a few breaths. Right. And now, and now you've just, you've just stacked and they all.
[00:55:05] Amplify one another and now you'll have more flow, more coagulation and that's not just bioelectric flow. It's cardiovascular flow and then cerebral flow. So I'm a huge proponent of little things like that. And then since, since we've talked about weirdness, I want to throw a little bit less common, um, uh, thing I do out for, for people listening.
[00:55:30] Um, We have a lot of pent up. Uh, if we don't, if we don't connect what we download to, who's supposed to receive it. I think a calculated within us. So I could listen to this. What'd you just say one more time. We don't connect what we've downloaded to those who are meant to receive it. It can coagulate within us.
[00:55:50] So if you have an inspiration and you're supposed to steward a division and then you can't figure out what to do with it or how to get it to be to stabilize, um, it makes begin to cause harm on you. So that's a big example of smaller examples are just some kind of emotional dissonance or pain, or maybe a traumatic experience.
[00:56:09] Uh, I am a big proponent of actually working with plants and, you know, the biggest plant you can think of as a tree. And if you're just beginning, like you're out on a walk and you can just put your hand on a tree and lean it's, they love our waste products. So if you just breathe. And exhale into the tree.
[00:56:32] It can take every bit of your energetics of what you're not no longer using and just compost it and you can feel it go right down into the roots and then you can breathe back in and take whatever that tree has to give you. And, you know, as I began doing that, like four years back, uh, at a healer, uh, indigenous woman, her name was Cedar woman.
[00:56:56] And she taught me to always go to a tree and just kind of put my hardship into it and then breathe out whatever the tree has to give me an exchange. And I said, well, wouldn't I heard the tree, but how would I put my pig into the tree? And she says, It's compost to them. It's energy. They love nitrogen, like give us any waste.
[00:57:14] So, you know, we don't need to actually go and touch the tree if you don't want to, if you're walking, but you can imagine all of the pain, all of the hardship, all of the coagulation or your, your story of underperformance fertilizer, someone else. I love that. Thank you. Actually reminds me of a viral video of how this guy essentially takes him.
[00:57:39] He, this guy's an empath is a cartoon. This guy's an empath. And then when he meets people with their hardship or challenges, he would basically take away their pain and, but store on his body, eventually he, his entire body becomes black and then it wasn't until he meets his dog, that he was able to.
[00:57:58] Transmuted that all that energy to the dog because the dog loves it. Right. So beautiful thing. So sure. So let's transition from the personal practice to your whole philosophy is you want to empower people to experience that. So I'm curious to know. Why not, let's say invest in a whole line of a media company that teaches people, embodiment practices.
[00:58:24] Why going to let's say wearable technologies or a line of spas or things like that. Can you share with us a little bit of your in terms of investment in terms of starting a company from your point of view, giving your purpose in life? Yeah, infrastructure, right. Infrastructure for emergent consciousness to stabilize here.
[00:58:47] So we can have this new generation of leadership to address the problems that we're inheriting and infrastructure is built. So when I look at telecoms media and branding, it's critical to actually find, meet the people that you're interested in helping and serving and positioning yourself to be in their awareness at the right moment.
[00:59:05] Right. Critical skillset, but also. It's, it's not the, uh, not the structured thing that you can hold in your hand. So for me, the best brand is if it has to have a physical product at the end of the day. And that relates to your body. So biohacking and health optimization is just direct correlate to my domain expertise.
[00:59:31] And I believe the future wellness is individualized. Right. And we can talk about, uh, companies in that space that I'm really excited about. But when I look, I want to focus first on the wearables. So. One of the reasons, uh, for, I believe for cultural dissonance and, uh, there's a back-lit screen in between people, right?
[00:59:52] There's a back-lit screen. That's not really organically occurring that. Right. There's something there. I forgot. Yeah. If you don't my backup gov useful for your sentences, you said you, you, you said it has to have a product for you to be interested in. Can you explain why tactile intelligence. Uh, again, aligning with the, uh, the sematic psychic awareness, um, and having a sensory experience in relation to a product that becomes too cerebral.
[01:00:25] If you're consistently existing in a digital environment. And if we're identity is completely anchored and a digital avatar, Or a, uh, or a association with a digital brand and, and media that's, and you're never on the creative side. If you're in film, production and creative side, there's a lot of physicality in that.
[01:00:46] But if you're just in the consuming side, it's, uh, it can become very cerebral intellectual in that I believe our future is, is in the body. And I believe our future is offline and in real life. And. We are optimizing our devices to assist a more fulfilling and nutritious, offline in-person experience. So I hope I've kind of addressed why I believe that there has to be some kind of touch.
[01:01:11] So just so I I'm, I want to make sure you're a hundred percent. Okay. So something like a Headspace or calm isn't sufficient because it's. Imaginative versus in the body versus something like a vibratory device or something that you can have that positive feedback loop. Is that an accurate reflection?
[01:01:34] You're trying to say. I, I don't, I won't say they're insufficient many pathways to healing and you have to find one that works for you. And if it's, if a service is only available through a digital portal, it's really easy to turn off the portal. And the portal is actually causing harm. So maybe that portal isn't the right delivery mechanism for that healing and that medicine.
[01:01:59] So I do like auditory delivery. So I'm really excited about what clubhouse has to do, has to offer us. I'm really excited about spatial audio. Um, high fidelity, Peter Diamandis is working on. Uh, and there was several other examples of spatial audio that I believe have a huge future in harmony with XR AR um, however, the, I think the screen is, is a dematerializing feature of our life.
[01:02:28] And within the next five years, we're going to have. Considerably less backlit screens in our lives. Um, and our, our phones are gonna, um, get materialize and coagulate really around the ear, the wrist and the eyewear. Um, and I actually have been speaking with Qualcomm, um, their wearables portfolio. So we're getting some actually in industry.
[01:02:48] Arguments for why that will be and why the investment innovation pipelines in organizations, such as that have consolidated in those three form factors. Um, B it goes back to my reasoning. We, we share the same reasoning, right? Uh, there are different pathways to healing. We have over-invested in this portal, the screen and the backlit screen specifically, and there's a huge, this blue water in the device-based.
[01:03:18] Right? So it's not it's it's I believe it's, uh, it's honestly, a more embodied and holistic way of delivering healing, whatever your offering is. But also it's a less crowded space, um, that the innovation potential has barely been tapped. And those folks that were seeking to build the infrastructure for more innovation, uh, have an opportunity to do so.
[01:03:40] So the form factor that's really exciting in that space, wrist, legacy, jewelry, retrofit embedding smart technology rings, building platforms for our ring as well. Changed my life. Thank you, Harpreet. Thank you, Ora. Um, but rings providing a, a, uh, essentially a plug and play or some, some kit, uh, provides a platform for less technical, uh, entrepreneurs to build a MySpace without having to architect their supply chain.
[01:04:16] And. The microcircuitry and the sensors and encoders and whatnot is a huge barrier to entry into the space. And there's a lot of capital looking to be in that space. So I really I'm really excited by it. And we already noted it out on the, on the kind of the futurist neurological applications, but just right now, uh, there's a lot of room in the bio indicator and biofeedback space for people to get more in touch with their bodies.
[01:04:43] Yeah, wearables. There's a lot of room for us to facilitate connection without a screen. And I'm really excited by those spaces. Yeah. Why don't we. Talk about some of the interesting technologies or movements, or sort of, you know, in the horizon type thing that you've noticed. Cause you know, now all of us are well versed, you know, being exposed to different deals with companies or pay attention to this space.
[01:05:12] So for, you know, like what have you seen that really excites you? So from the research space as a company called M a I N D mind, right. Um, and a, I N D and they're doing that neuromorphic, uh, brain computer interface research, and they're doing group flow group coherence and EEG. They have this headset that, uh, that emotive, uh, they work with that's another company, but you motive makes it, and they.
[01:05:38] The mind uses, uh, yeah. There's metadata on everything from school kids reaching our logical coherence, uh, to like competitive sports players to military. And what that, uh, with the measurements of EEG, synchrony actually tell you about the, the outcomes and success of those participants. And it's in short it's it's it's they're they're measuring when someone can, uh, For lack of a, I'm trying to layman's terms.
[01:06:08] When someone can say, as lock with the group, uh, they have better outcomes. And, and we can measure cause that's one really exciting company. Uh, another, another space, uh, I mean we all love Outre. Um, in the medical tech space, there are some folks working on, uh, at the watch they're working on, um, seizure prediction with Apple smartwatch and Johns Hopkins.
[01:06:35] Um, yeah, if you watch, that's really exciting, why not have huge social impact? Um, our, um, I mean, I can kind of be biased and talking about our stuff. Okay, cool. So I think there's a huge opportunity to activate all of this jewelry. Especially like family heirlooms and legacy jewelry. So like sororities, fraternities, graduations are all monitored.
[01:06:59] You have rings that are beautiful and you wear them all the time. Why not embed technology to make them functional? Right. So that retrofit as a service is a, that's an emerging market and it's, it's blue water. There's very few companies in that space, Sicily on it, technologies we're working. Um, with a few, a few, a few of the jewelry makers and some watchmakers on, on retrofits.
[01:07:22] And that's like, I know people that have inherited a $20,000 beautiful Rolex watch. Right. And they don't, they weigh their Apple watch every day. Can we, can we actually activate that family heirloom and, and keep it alive in some way while keeping pace with innovation? Yes, we can. It's not that hard. And with some of the new chip sets that Qualcomm's produced, it's, it's actually technically very feasible.
[01:07:47] I'm really excited about that. I want to go into a vial indicator. That's untouched after that. Yeah. Okay, cool. So a lot of, uh, wearables address, skin conductivity part rate variability, um, Uh, these, these, these, these biometrics gonna have steps asleep and, and it's critical that we monitor those. But what isn't being touched is these there's, uh, there's this biometric characteristics of when someone is ungrounded, mm.
[01:08:22] And mentally and grounded or physically ungrounded, I would say they're both they're interrelated. But if you remember back in the day, Uh, fidget spinners. People know that the thing that is a it's called a hyper arousal and the time it takes you to stop fidgeting, to return to homeostasis matters and coral and correlating that back to the stimulus time of day and other factors.
[01:08:47] Can unlock like very, very important data about how you're being in relation to your own ability to ground. So, uh, essentially fidgeting or repetitive muscle movement is, uh, it's not talked about. And I believe it's not talked about for social reasons because people don't like to be perceptible in their fidgeting.
[01:09:08] Cause it's typically an indicator of dysregulation. Um, But we challenged that and actually looking at it from the research and neurodivergent spaces. We'll see folks with incredibly high sensitivity, like Asperger autism. They have a higher information richness and they use repetitive muscle movement to integrate all that inflow.
[01:09:31] Of data, sensory data and repetitive muscle movement activates the somatic system and helps them learn faster because they're experiencing more. And in our day and age, we're experiencing so much technology, so much information at our fingertips. And then media is just it's rapid fire content. So people develop these repetitive muscle movement, twitches and whatnot.
[01:09:55] Why not take that and train people to make them imperceptible? And we can accomplish that. We got, we can track people's repetitive muscle movements and then create a culture around integrating that and, and also speak to the benefits of engaging more sematic processes in your integration. So your repetitive muscle movement, isn't just a fit, a fidget or a Twitch or something dysregulated.
[01:10:21] It's actually your way of accelerating, learning, actually your way of activating your. Buddy quantum database of so, so, okay. Okay. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. So let's say a fidget. I twist my do my, whatever thing that I do out of nervous habits while you're saying is instead of trying to basically quote unquote, fix it or hide it, right.
[01:10:49] You actually turn it around and use this Mo Mo motion as a way to help integrate. How getting into the body more in a more conscious way. Is that accurate of what you're yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a way of, so when you have more sematic activation around learning, you learn more, right. If you could be listening to an audio book and dancing, you would take in more information, right?
[01:11:12] Because you're, you're anchoring all of these neurological processes related to movement to the data input. So, yeah, so it's the same as like listening to a song when you're, when you're studying and then playing that song later. You'll remember all though. It's cause there are emotional tags to all the memories in, in your, in your, in your storage.
[01:11:30] So yeah. So, uh, and I want to speak a little bit to, uh, young people with incredibly high IQs. Often developed fidget. Right? So children on and I noticed from a mentor that I met an intentional community space in Michael Rios, and he worked with youth, child psychologists for incredibly high IQ, young people.
[01:11:53] And this was back in the eighties before stemming and budgeting was as well-researched. And he said the ones that were the most successful that grow up to be the huge contributors that we have in the world. Um, They made their stemming and perceptible. So they did like the Kion moodra and that was a complete exploration of one fingerprint against the other and not satisfied all of the somatic awareness and then became imperceptible.
[01:12:20] Right. Or they brought it into the breath, being the fidget, experiencing the infinitely higher and higher resolution awareness. Of the breath that we can access as we engage it, it almost reminds me of a transcendental meditation. Right. Basically the whole idea of transcendent meditation for, I know you're probably aware of it, but anyone who isn't aware of it is the whole idea is you're giving a mantra.
[01:12:49] And so whenever your mind goes to Lala land, you basically use that mantra to come back to, to your meditation. So it's a good way to essentially keep your busy mind focusing on particular thing while you can actually do the work. So similarly with what you're trying to do, whether it's the moodra holding or the fidget thing, or whatever, as a way productively ground anchor the body to towards a particular type of integration.
[01:13:16] Is that roughly the idea? Yeah, no, you're right on you're right on. And I want this as there's an opportunity, you know, that the, the springboard into this thread was around why wearables, when we have so many SAS platforms that are infinitely scalable, and I believe that engaging the body and the process just exponentially increases someone's um, with like the stickiness of.
[01:13:44] That, that practice. So I don't need, if I, if I have, uh, the, the benefits of the somatic awareness and I'm getting to the breath, or I'm getting to, uh, a yoga posture and say, I'm on I'm dysregulating again. And I'm going back while I have a ring on my finger and that ring measures my fidgeting and that, and that'll, that can tell me, and if I'm fidgeting too much, it can send an alert to my phone.
[01:14:09] That reminds me of the yoga process and the breath process and the transcendental meditation even, right. It reminds me of the SAS platform that facilitates meditation, but they're half the physicality is just a deeper companion in that process that holds us accountable. And it's, like I said, in the beginning training wheels, Yeah, uh, during my PhD days.
[01:14:33] So my, my whole background is this system design for continuous measurement are what's happening in the body. So on and so on. And so really appreciate sort of your lens and looking at the world. The one thing that I dismissed when I was younger was the whole idea of a vibration. Just like, it can't be that simple.
[01:14:54]How, how does vibration help train us version to do operate in a law laparoscopic surgery? Like how how's that. And training it, but the more I realized more understand, actually, you know, ultimately it's about that positive feedback loop. So if you're doing something right, it vibrates, or if you're making a mistake, it vibrates, then do the body learns very quickly.
[01:15:20] So I appreciate this position. Yeah. No, thank you. And I, and I actually, I didn't know you had that much domain expertise in the space, so yeah, we, we want to train each other. Because like there's so much more we're capable of. And the, the overarching thesis is actually building that infrastructure for this emergent consciousness.
[01:15:42] And that requires us to really master using this vehicle that we were born through. So let's, um, let's segue out of the geeky technology. Future is talk for a moment. I want to talk about, um, some esoteric thing. Okay. Sure. Yes. So let's talk about consciousness for a bit. In my mind, why I'm particularly excited and, you know, nerdy about consciousness.
[01:16:12] Because to me, it is the source of my misery, as well as the source of my bliss. Right. Consciousness. If I understand how to master this, the mind, then that I can help navigate my own subjective experience. So I'm curious to know. And then also as a, as an innovator, if I, then the more I can let go of my biases, my, my illusions, my cognitive construct that I made up myself.
[01:16:41] Then then the more objective I can be to create something that will be of, of service. You know, we are what we make, we make where we are. Right. So I want to make sure that whatever I make comes from that pure. As, as, as pure of a space as possible. So curious, how, why are you interested in consciousness and, and how, how does it serve you as a creator, as a innovator, as an investor?
[01:17:07] Sure. Love this. So for me, I believe that consciousness is existent and w R. Like our five senses are, uh, almost a funnel or filter that creates the, the experience of our identity and our ego. And that's actually, it's it's. It's able to be malleable. Right. We can change that. We can let go of pieces. We can restructure it.
[01:17:37] We can, we can be like water and then we can be like, Oh, nice. And we can be like water again. And in that, um, I believe that in positioning ourselves as far upstream as possible by whatever methodology resonates with us. We can tune in to the actual system, the planet, the human collective, and we can see where are the person we've thought we've been the whole time.
[01:18:12] The person we've been pretending to be that human, that we are that's our antenna. Right. We can look at that and we can look at the whole system and where there is need and discern. Where we can allocate our resources to maximize assets and minimize waste. And then when we lose intensity or come back down into 3d consciousness here and now chronological existence, we can maintain that point of Kairos, that point of timelessness, where we had systemic perspective, and we can continually use that as accomplice.
[01:18:48] So to make it the concrete, that a little bit. Uh, so Yana technologies was founded at a, uh, there was an indigenous medicine ceremony and we were invited through the native American church. To sit with the UCLA elders. And we didn't know we were going to find a business at the time, but we sat with them and I had this vision of a day without screens and jewelry.
[01:19:16] That was, they were all magical elves with jewelry on that was able, enabling us to communicate with one another and be as effective as we are with a typical user interface today. But we were doing it in motion and joy, light and beautiful. And then I connected with. Two other people of Larry and Isabel, and we, they had the same exact vision in that ceremony.
[01:19:39] We had all taken the same upstream perspective on consciousness, realized our humans and what our humans were good at and what we could do in connection and saw that vision of a future. And then we came back, we said, Hey, this is what needs to happen. So yeah, I think it's, it's about engaging a new perspective.
[01:20:01] And seeing where need is and seeing who you are. And how you can be of service. Yeah. One of my, one of my dreams, uh, I earlier, when I first got, uh, you know, acquainted with plant medicine, is I, everyone, every entrepreneur should have do plant medicine, um, because he does unleash new ideas as well as. You know, old wounds and all these things.
[01:20:30] Right. So we can actually step into new identities, but then, but then, but then I have matured since then and actually thought, okay, plant medicine, isn't for everyone, you know, meet them where they're at, if they want to choose this path. Fantastic. Great. It there's a lot of value there, but if they're not ready, then you know, don't force it on them.
[01:20:50] So. But, but nonetheless, I still love the whole idea of having a founding team do play medicine together because you get to the truth really fast, you know? So, uh, you know, whether there's alignment or misalignment really, really fast, and then that brings stop that you can talk about work too. So from my perspective, that's a great accelerator too.
[01:21:16] Synergy curious to know if you agree, disagree with me, I'm right there with you. Uh, it's not for everybody you a key piece in, you know, I do a lot of work now integrating people who are entrepreneurs who have started that path and have somehow concluded that the. The right action is to disintegrate and go directly back to nature.
[01:21:38] And I'm like, well, we have a PhD in this and this, and let's take some of this new process and connection and oneness and integrate it into the asset. That is you. And, you know, let's be in the game together with all this new awareness. So I agree with you. It's not for everybody. And I agree with you with some people who go into it, end up disintegrating, and there's now a service to be offered in that space.
[01:21:58] Um, but for those who are feeling called to it, And, uh, we can point to why, right? People being unchurched, people having a lack of, uh, global mythology to match globalization on the planet. So there's, there's actually some real space where, uh, ceremonial regulation to these master plants has emerged in the culture as a tool.
[01:22:22] Um, and people are finding pathways to. Position it as something that could help them. And that's very aware of that. So without awareness, what responsibility do we have? Well, to be of service, if someone's going to start studying a subject that we've been studying for some time let's study together. Uh, I do, I do also agree that a founding team working in this way, uh, you, you strip naked, right?
[01:22:50] You remember the name you had before your parents were born and. You remember your, your work family and what do we have? We have this planet supporting us and is what we're doing in relation with all that we say we are and our values, and you can not lie in those spaces. So I always, I believe as well, like you have to slow down to go fast.
[01:23:18] And in these settings, you maybe it's different for everybody, but I experienced a deep slowing down and a simultaneous shedding. That's a very fast process. So that experience of slowing down to go fast happens and it happens intensely and it happens in a chronologically dense timeline. So. That, that feels perfectly aligned with the entrepreneurial path.
[01:23:45] Um, last piece is that entrepreneurship itself is a ceremony. You worship itself is a spiritual path and you, if you want to use tools to echo that message great. But you're, you're, you're in the ceremony already, whether or not you use them. Right. And I think. That piece about building something and offering it to the world is a Rite of passage is a part of spiritual development as a part of emotional maturity.
[01:24:15] And, and the lessons that are around that are also part of that. Yeah. Uh, I have actually recently gone through a startup implosion. Okay. I want to get into the details of it, but this re having gone through that experience, you know, I'm super grateful for everything. So there's, there's no resentment, no negative emotions about whatever happened.
[01:24:41] But nonetheless, what I realize is had I gone through, let's say a ceremony together. All that stuff would have surfaced a lot sooner is why I'm even more bullish about the idea. Having him do ceremonies together as a founding team. I don't know if he ever done that with your founders, that people that you work with, but that's something that I always fantasize about.
[01:25:06] That's interesting. That's interesting. Um, so first I, I hear you and, um, I trust that you have the skills to navigate the implosion well and recognizing offend game and finding that alignment. And the alignment may not be walking in close proximity, but being aware of each other in far proximity, right.
[01:25:23] And that determination of how much space is right per relationship is part of the infinite game. So I trust that you're going to have success in the future with these folks, um, with, with, uh, With me and any implosions via flat medicine and introduction into the space. Uh, there was, uh, looks, let's say 2017 when we first started, uh, the pilots for what would grow into a SAS company and, and affordable housing for host home.
[01:25:58] That was. I started working with plants around that time, um, to, to engage some of the trauma and depression that I was experiencing in my life. Um, having just lost, uh, you know, I first came out as trans, there was a group of maybe four trans folks that I was hanging out with and they were all in the survival economy and I was, you know, working at a cafe and then becoming an owner of a cafe.
[01:26:20] So I was on a different trajectory. Those four aren't alive anymore, right? Yeah. And some of those deaths are tragic. Right? There's a lot, um, the, the, the details of which, uh, you know, you could see them on the news, right? There's a lot of murder. Um, And that's common in the community, but I started using plants to, to add red that you can treat depression with us.
[01:26:43] And then when I found ceremonial plant medicine, I realized you can actually induce neuroplasticity and within the right container heal trauma. So I started that path and my co-founder at the time did not go on that path. And what I began to notice was his charging towards pain and charging towards trauma to be the hero.
[01:27:06] And I had begun a different directionality towards returning to center and cleaning my house, such that I could be of service and helping others clean their house. So the theory of change shifted and the dissonance happened. And that in communication created a dialogue around which tools are the right tools and is Ava's path, right.
[01:27:33] Or was his path. Right. And, you know, no, one's right. It's, we're in different spaces, different places, and it's right for you. It's right for you. But it doesn't mean that we're aligned. So I won't say it was an implosion, but it was a decoupling, um, early on. Hmm. I like that decoupling. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I'll start using that word.
[01:27:55] I think that's probably a little bit more precise. Yeah, no, I absolutely love him. Like, he's a great guy and he's going to do great things in the world and you know, we're all at different stages development at different times. So honoring where we are. Right. We don't want everybody to get to the exact same archetype that we are embodying at a given moment.
[01:28:12] We want them to get the next step on their journey. Yeah, I am asking these questions, not necessarily for my sake or your sake. I'm really using our experiences as a teaching tool for those who are on this path to find their own harmony from within as well as the harmony from within there. Founding team, as well as their desire to make an impact in the world.
[01:28:38] Right? So these are just data points for them to, Hey you. Yeah, this is what worked for us. This is why isn't. But one of the things that I do hear in your sharing, the story is that harmonious piece, right? Ultimately, is that, um, being. In harmony at home, in the body, as well as being in harmony with your co-founder and if not, it's okay to uncouple it.
[01:29:03] Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. Let's jam a bit on clubhouse and similar infrastructures as, especially as young innovators thought leaders. So, so you've been involved. In multiple different communities from global Changemakers to summit to I'm sure other things now, and you're leveraging infrastructure like clubhouse.
[01:29:29] I'm curious to know from your perspective, what infrastructure has been the most catalyzing to bring ideas together, collaborators together, momentum of an audience to, you know, have that. Uh, market, you know, founder market fit. I love that there. So let's start in clubhouse and why like it, right. And then some of the challenges, right?
[01:29:58] So, so it's, it's not as commodified as other spaces, right? Uh, there's not ads, there's you, it doesn't really matter how many followers you have, although some people believe it does. And that's an artifact of other platforms, I think. Uh, and you have this. You're you, you have a little bit of that privacy that you have in say Facebook or Instagram, or you can scroll around and find out what interests you.
[01:30:25] But it's not fully private because then your friend could show up and see you. So it's this new thing where I can jump into an esoteric conversation around global mythologies and emerging consciousness. And excuse me, it can be someone talking about energy work, um, and I can be in there about entrepreneurship.
[01:30:43] And then I'm suddenly out in myself. Then I see like someone who is interested in investing in us, who jumps in that room. Cause I'm in that room. And then. He's like, Hey buddy, you're into this stuff. And I'm like, Oh, Hey,
[01:30:58] there's no hiding. There is this perception of privacy. It's an artifact from other platforms, and then that's not the case in clubhouse necessarily or in the same way. So it, it, it attracts people to, um, to each other more rapidly because people are wanting, you know, I can fake interest to something if I'm just reading about it, or if I'm just liking on Facebook or curating my feed on another platform.
[01:31:25] But I can't fake interest as, as easily. If I'm going to listen and participate in the conversation. Immediately get repelled from that conversation. If I began sharing in a room that I'm not supposed to be in. Yeah. It engages a lot of that embodied technology of coherence by and repelling people who are trying to fake, uh, being part of a space.
[01:31:50] Right. So, so that it shows you who you really are and who you really vibe with because we can hear it. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, using myself as an example, even let's say even topically, I'm interested in whatever the thing is, but if not the right people in the right room, as soon as they speak, I'm like, let me get out of here, here in this person's it doesn't fit for me.
[01:32:16] And whatever that, you know, Hey, all the, in respect to whatever they have done, just where if that person is in a room I'm um, let me go. Search something else to, to listen it and wish them all the success in the world. Right. But there's a point and it'd be one room that's going on for four or five hours and I'm in it.
[01:32:33] I'm in, I'm in it. And then it takes a turn and it's like, Oh cool. That's what's happening now. Awesome. Awesome. I did that already. Or I got, I'm good on that right now. Maybe I have more work to do, but it's coming into my field, but I'm not engaging that part right now. I'm going to go engage this part. Um, but maybe making a mental note of that reaction.
[01:32:51] Making a mental note that, Oh, I had a, I had a disgust or a pulse center and a repulsion or an aversion or some kind of dissonance. So maybe I should explore that later and see if there's something there that is unconscious in me. Yes. Do I have the capacity right now? And should I architect to that? Uh, so clubhouse is, is an accelerant for finding your people and it's an accelerant to just it's, it's much more real.
[01:33:20] You're you're actually there. Um, you can't, it's almost a good burning man, right there. There are no spectators. You're a part of it. Um, and I encourage you to get on stage as much as possible in the expertise. Hierarchy is a scam. That's meant to keep people with good integrity out, like get there, get in there and speak your truth and be heard and contribute.
[01:33:40] And you're, you're a part of it. Um, That this isn't the only platform though. And, and I, I want to speak hesitantly a little bit to what is possible with virtual reality, um, as a, as a platform right now as well. Um, and what I think the future is in extended reality, uh, sound, can I go there for a little bit?
[01:34:02] Right. So. We have the capacity to connect across space while anchoring in time and video chat accomplishes a lot of that. But. The, the experience of virtual reality allows you to play with embodiment, play with expression, right. In a new way. And it allows for collaboration. So it would be really exciting ways.
[01:34:27] So in an architecture, yeah. And when you say collaboration, can you unpack that you ? So in architecture, they, they. You can make scaled mock-ups and then you can have your client, you can drop your client into it, and they can walk around in this giant building that hasn't been built yet, and they can see it at full size and you're in this.
[01:34:50] You can move stuff around while they're in the building. So there's immense feedback. Shortening the feedback in that. And we've been in a space for a couple of years. Um, but it's so Yana. We also use it for looking at product, right? We can have the 3d model, 3d, 3d sculpted product, and we can look at it, feel it, play with it, talk about it.
[01:35:08] Um, bring out other 3d models of, of other watches or other eyewear or other earpieces and compare and contrast in, in a, in a much more immersive environment. And we can be in the same office together. So spatial is the app I'm referring to, but we can be in the same office as our designer, even though he's in the UK.
[01:35:30] And then, you know, other partners in the UAE and I'm over in Baltimore, on East coast, United States. And we can all be in the same office talking. That's huge. Right. And we can go to the movies together and we can go to the big screen. That's huge. Now, is it healthy? Right? Is a back-lit screen strapped to your face the way we want to go.
[01:35:48] Not so sure. Not so sure. Play with fire. Don't get burned, regulate your screen time, but, but it's something new and it's helping us navigate. Our new normal, so excited by the platforms. Yeah. But human beings were attracted to shiny objects. So if you tell your kid, Hey, don't play a video game. You're only limited to, so I'll share this publicly.
[01:36:15] My mom used to live in my video game, playing time to like half an hour. So I was like, okay, mom, no problem. Half an hour. And then at like three in the morning, I will wake up to go to do like play video game TV for hours or not. And then I always have to like watch to see if there's moms in the back, like at four in the morning, anyways, my point being,
[01:36:41] they want to do what they want to do. So, uh, you know, so. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I'm curious. What games you play when you were younger? Um, I was at the halo a lot and I think it informed my interest in wearable technologies and augmented reality. Um, but. Mmm. Okay. So Brene, Brene back out, because I wanted to make your experience a teaching tool for others going through this as well.
[01:37:07] Right? So bring it back to you are an ideas person that's obvious, you're entrepreneurial. You want, you're thinking about systematic change and innovation and so forth. You're a big thinker. That's, that's very obvious. So, and then you are involved with a lot of different communities from stomach to global changers to.
[01:37:26] Economic forum, these type of platforms. And then now you're involved with clubhouse. So for someone else who is navigating this whole idea, S a space. Would you say for them, like knowing what you know now, can you give them like an 80 20, Hey, do these things, let's say identify a mentor, you know, identify your niche and then see how you can relay it and dah, dah, dah.
[01:37:54] So that way they have some kind of map to go on, because then I say one or the last names before you answer, because there's a lot of paint. For someone who really want to make a big difference in the world, but they don't have a path. And so I'm curious to know if you can advise that person who will have a lot of desire to make an impact by really don't know how to go about it, or they have just a lot of ideas and they have so many ideas that I don't even know who to give it to.
[01:38:23] What would you say to these people? Um, first this recenter trust. Right trust that if you know, you're, you're on purpose and you're doing everything you can to better yourself and seek that alignment. Um, and remember who you are, then if you trust them, the tools will present themselves and the mentors will present themselves.
[01:38:45] So keep going and keep centering trust and being present. Um, the other, the other piece is really learn, um, where your nose are. Um, because in giving your nose, you honor your yes. And, and that is, there are some things that when you envision yourself doing two or three or four years from now, and think about the sensation and experience of waking up into that, how does that feel?
[01:39:15] How does it feel to introduce yourself as that, to talk to people as that and listen to the no, and listen to the yes, but if you have that, that future, no. And you, and you're, you're pushing through, um, the trust that the world will respond and pushed back. So I want to, I want to say that honor, your know, and, and, and trust and be present.
[01:39:40] Hmm. Beautiful. Hey man, I, I really thank you for just showing. I mean, we literally just met, I clubhouse in NFL, like, Hey, I'm talking to a kindred spirit. Thank you so much for just being willing to go places, you know, to talk about. Your fluidity and in your transition, your gender to your different identities for entrepreneurship too, you know, as a futurist, as an investor, how you actually think about the future stuff.
[01:40:11] I actually don't really get a whole lot of chance to talk to people about the future of technologies and, and, you know, sort of the secondary tertiary impact of it. So I so appreciate that. I'm sure that those who are watching appreciate that as well. Thank you. Just being so generous of being who you are.
[01:40:28] Let's see. Kay, thank you for being generous of your time and your energy and cultivating this space. So, so of course, um, love to connect more on clubhouse. Love to get to know your audience a little bit and, you know, keep doing this. Keep being here and showing up. So for anyone who is interested in following your work, where should we send them to you?
[01:40:52] Yeah, Eva pepitone.com. Uh, my website is the, really the space to find me connect with what I'm up to. I'm on other platforms too, but. I liked the curation of the website. Uh, social media has some aspects to it that I think miss out on what's possible through a completely curated space. So Ava, coppertone.com.
[01:41:14] Uh, you'll see, see my writings there and I'm going to be releasing some blog posts there soon. I'd love to get to know y'all good. Do you have a newsletter where they can opt in? Because actually I'm, I'm watching over here. Some people already want to connect with you. Oh, yeah. Um, w we were just talking about it on this letter.
[01:41:32] So, um, I'm really interested right now in some of the stuff that's going on, the green new deal in California, and some of the United nations sustainability goals and some new, like material science and some new water filtration, some really interesting technologies that are coming out. And I just want to make sure as many people as possible know about them.
[01:41:48] So yes, let's stay tuned for a newsletter. Um, it doesn't exist yet, but that's all right. Don't be a profession as new MailChimp. You can get it. We'll do it. All right, man. Thanks so much. Have a great one